Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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    When labor gets too expensive here, the jobs get exported.

    Yeh, Americans wanted better cars made with cheaper labor.

    Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion, but sure. Lock all the politicians who’ve violated the law up. Then we’d have to import politicians from China !
     
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    Ok. I still don’t hate people who have become wealthier than me.
     
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    Math is fun. It’s all in @LangleyMan and my posts. Yep, benefits were covered in my earlier links.
     
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    Look at what we let the Japanese do to us. This started back in the 60's and much of it still goes on today. Read more and see how they took many industries from us we once dominated, like the television industry.



    As an example of a consumer "protection" law really created to prevent
    foreign competition in Japan, one may look at the auto industry. All non
    Japanese cars which enter Japan today must be "safety-tested" by Japan for
    "safety to the consumer". The fee for this "safety-test" is several thousand
    dollars PER CAR imported and must be borne by the importer (and consequently
    the buyer) of the car. Cars made by Japanese companies (even if they originate
    from foreign Japanese plants such as the US Honda Accord plant) are exempted
    from the inspection and the fee as Japanese car companies are permitted to
    "safety" their cars themselves at their factories. The result of this practice
    is to make the prices of non-Japanese brand cars uncompetitive against Japanese
    brands sold within Japan. This law adds upwards of $5000 to the price of each
    US car for sale in Japan. [New York Times/CNN 12/25/92]. To further discourage
    non-Japanese car purchases in Japan, auto insurance rates for non Japanese
    brand cars in Japan have been rigged by auto producers (who own many of the
    insurance companies) to be three times higher than rates charged for equivalent
    Japanese brand cars [Agents of Influence p156]. It is these practices and laws
    (and not that the steering wheel is on the wrong side) that prevent US car
    companies from making headway in the Japanese market. Both GM and Ford ship
    cars to Japan with the steering wheel on the correct side for Japanese roads
    [Agents of Influence p156].

    Of some other more famous "consumer protection" laws, one until recently
    banned US beef from Japan because "Japanese intestines were the wrong length
    and couldn't digest US beef which is too hard" (today, though US beef is
    allowed in Japan, in practice it must often come from a Japanese owned ranch
    in the US). Another law banned european skiis because the snow in Japan was
    "different". All foreign rice is banned for "national security"[Agents of
    Influence p11]. Rice in Japan as a consequence, is the most expensive in the
    world.

    http://users.monash.edu/~jwb/japanyes.txt
     
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    Egads. I'm afraid you have little idea about educating young people. What if the reason the family is poor is the parents are screwed up, or the kid is living in foster care? What happens if the parents are clueless about the value of education? In your America, it's too bad for the kid.
     
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    What is wrong in giving parents a choice of schools? What is wrong in financing schools the same instead of rich neighborhoods having everything and the poor neighborhoods having the teacher buying the kids the pencils and paper they need?
    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...ea0e2634b9f63fd551770ffa556127cd&action=click
     
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    Japan had lower wages when these industries went overseas. Their wage is still just two-thirds of ours.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
     
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    The problem is with Japan, they restrict what we can bring in, or make it to hard to even sell in Japan. There is nothing fair with trade in Japan or China. Free trade is a joke.
     
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    hitler was a highly educated european, so it depends

    europe was the beginning of the evolved western civilisation, and they still have superior school systems than most of America
     
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    Box cars come into America loaded with foreign goods. Do you know what they go back with? It's been our trash. Paper, cardboard is/was our biggest box car export to Japan and China. But even that has changed. China is refusing to take our trash as it isn't clean enough. Back in the 1950's we made most everything. Europe and Asian factories were bombed out. Today we have well over a trillion people on this planet. Can you tell me what we make here besides food we can sell the average consumer abroad?
     
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    Your faith in Trump is misplaced. He's trying to cut Social Security and Medicare. He tried to get rid of the Obamacare guarantee against higher rates for those with preexisting conditions.

    We need to do something about China, but you should give your head a shake if you think he's the guy to pull it off. If we stopped buying anything from China, it will cut their production by less than four percent.

    Trump's go-it-alone approach has got him nothing so far, even after his "deal." The only way we'll get China in line is ganging up on them.
     
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    The world population is 7+ billion people.
     
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    Can you name me what we sell here for the average consumer abroad besides food? That is crazy and much of it has to do with bad trade. It goes along with bad schools. Thanks to our government
     
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    A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC:

    Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes the 2016 Annual Reports.

    Both Social Security and Medicare face long-term financing shortfalls under currently scheduled benefits and financing. Lawmakers have a broad continuum of policy options that would close or reduce the long-term financing shortfall of both programs. The Trustees recommend that lawmakers take action sooner rather than later to address these shortfalls, so that a broader range of solutions can be considered and more time will be available to phase in changes while giving the public adequate time to prepare. Earlier action will also help elected officials minimize adverse impacts on vulnerable populations, including lower-income workers and people already dependent on program benefits. Read more https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/Manage
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    Social Security and Medicare together accounted for 42 percent of Federal program expenditures in fiscal year 2017. The unified budget reflects current trust fund operations. Consequently, even when there are positive trust fund balances, any drawdown of those balances, as well as general fund transfers into Medicare’s Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) fund and interest payments to the trust funds that are used to pay benefits, increase pressure on the unified budget. Both Social Security and Medicare will experience cost growth substantially in excess of GDP growth through the mid-2030s due to rapid population aging caused by the large baby-boom generation entering retirement and lower-birth-rate generations entering employment. For Medicare, it is also the case that growth in expenditures per beneficiary exceeds growth in per capita GDP over this time period. In later years, projected costs expressed as a share of GDP rise slowly for Medicare and are relatively flat for Social Security, reflecting very gradual population aging caused by increasing longevity and slower growth in per-beneficiary health care costs.
     
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    Look no further than Canada for better schools.
     
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    canada is not very educated, they only had to defeat a few eskimos for their land

    europe had world wars against other educated people, and earned their land through superior intellect..
     
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    We're the #2 manufacturer in the world.

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/NV.IND.MANF.CD/rankings
    Trump is typically popular in states with the worst schools. Go figure.
     
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    Before Trump no one was doing anything. Obama said he'd renegotiate NAFTA then changed his mind after he got in. China has agreed to buy 200 billion more from us in phase one.


    Hasbro is to start making play-doh in the U.S. Again.

    U.S. Hasbro, Inc. Is returning to the U.S. And will make the beloved children’s modeling clay in a Massachusetts factory rather than in China or Turkey.




    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes.


    Stanley Black and Decker closing China plant.... Moving to ...
    https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/stanley-black-and-decker-closing-china-plant-moving-to Texas/83525376/ · Jun 21, 2019

    Chinese Co, moving to Ohio
    His company, Fuyao Glass, has invested over $1 billion stateside, according to the Post, the most significant move of which is opening its U.S. Factory in the Ohio town of Moraine, a suburb of Dayton, back in October. The glass maker is re-purposing the town’s former General Motors assembly that had been standing empty since late 2008, as the Dayton Daily News reports.

    According to Ohio TV station WDTN, the plant now employs a workforce of almost 2,000, and Cao expects that the fully operational facility will employ up to 3,000 workers.

    https://fortune.com/2016/12/22/us-china-manufacturing-costs-investment/




    Tianyuen Garments Co.
    In October of last year, Tianyuan Garments Co. Acquired a defunct 100,000-square foot metal fabrications plant in Little Rock, Arkansas and announced a $20 million investment that will make them the first Chinese manufacturing company to manufacture clothing in the US. The company is refurbishing the facility set to open later this year and plans to employ 400 workers to produce clothes for brands like Adidas, Reebok, and Armani.

    Sun Paper Industry
    Another big announcement from a Chinese manufacturing company in the past year is from Chinese paper products maker, Sun Paper Industry. They recently announced a $1 billion investment that will create 250 US jobs at their new bio-products mill in South Arkansas.

    Local and state governments in the US are able to offer incentives to foreign companies that tip the scales in favor of moving from China to the US. Many Chinese manufacturing companies are now realizing that the lower transportation costs and taxes are making it more profitable to do business in North America than in Asia. As the trend grows, the Chinese companies who provide so many manufactured goods to the North American market are finding that employing American workers is the most profitable method of production.


    China allows first-ever U.S. rice imports ahead of trade ...
    www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-trade-rice...
    Dec 28, 2018 · China has opened the door to imports of rice from the United States for the first time ever in what analysts took to signal a warming of relations between the world's two biggest economies after a ...


    U.S. beef headed to China for the first time in 14 years

    https://www.michiganfarmnews.com/us-beef-headed-to-china-for-the-first-time-in-14-years
     
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    Let me tell you about pre existing conditions. I'm in a good place to know. No one is denied medical care in America. My niece, my Brother's Daughter has cancer and no medical insurance at all. She just finished her second treatment of chemo. She still might not make it, mainly because she was scared to go get her lump looked at and waited to long. But she is getting all the medical help she needs and she hasn't got the money to pay for it. Trump has come out with something to help people. Obama Care still leaves over 26 million uninsured.

    By the numbers: FDA approved 781 generic drugs in fiscal 2018. That’s 90% more than in 2014, when Congress provided new authorities designed to speed the approval process, according to a PwC report. https://www.axios.com/Drug-prices-g...FDA-7a584df7-67a3-44b4-9181-85c08d071bc5.HTML

    Drug Prices Will Now Be Listed in Television Ads | Time

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    May 09, 2019 · Drug companies will soon be required to include their prices in television ads, in an effort to drive down costs and boost transparency. TV Ads for Drugs Must Now Include Prices. It's the Latest .



    No surprise medical bills.
    Trumpp signs law requiring hospitals to be up front on their charges so people are not surprised at the bill when they get it.

    Trump signs bill giving terminally ill patients 'right to try ...
    www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/...
    President Trump on Wednesday signed legislation into law that gives patients the “right to try” experimental drugs, to give them a chance to live, or at least extend their life, cementing a major policy priority for the White House. ... Trump signs bill ..
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    Here Trump started free or affordable child care for single low income mothers. This was because of the urging of Trump's Daughter Ivanka. https://freefinancialhelp.net/free-childcare-assistance/

    Trump signs Autism bill

    Trump signs autism legislation into law providing $1.8B in research funding. There is no medical test available to diagnose autism. Autism is diagnosed by observing the development of a child, according to the CDC. Characteristics of autism were studied as symptoms of schizophrenia in the early 1900's. Rep. Smith says the bill will fund research, early detection and treatment for autism spectrum disorder. Oct 2 2019

    Reference: ://www.wtsp.com/.../trump-signs.../507-70e3e773-3fe4-4d7…



    Trump's new rule will give businesses and workers better health care options



    When President Trump took office, small businesses and hard-working, middle-class families were finding it increasingly difficult to afford health insurance. The Trump administration has already taken significant steps to help, and Thursday we took another one. A new Trump administration rule will provide an estimated 800,000 businesses a better way to offer coverage and millions of workers a better way to obtain coverage, through the expansion of Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs).

    HRAs are employer-funded arrangements that workers use to pay for medical expenses. The Obama administration forbade workers in the individual insurance market to use HRAs to pay for coverage — significantly impeding employer flexibility and worker choice. Trump's new rule undoes this misguided restriction.
    Starting on January 1, 2020, employers will be able to offer their workers HRAs to buy individual market coverage for themselves and their families. The administration's new rule addresses a major inequity by, in effect, providing the same tax advantage that traditional employer-sponsored group plans receive — exclusion of premiums from federal income or payroll taxes — to coverage that workers in the individual market purchase from an HRA.
    The rule will significantly expand worker options since 80% of firms that provide insurance currently offer only one type of plan. Now, workers will be able to use tax-advantaged money from their employers to buy coverage of their choosing. This new flexibility will allow people to maintain their coverage when they switch jobs.

    More Markets & Economy Perspectives
    In particular, this new rule should help small business workers by making it possible for employers to fund coverage with less hassle and cost than maintaining a traditional group health plan. Between 2010 and 2018, the proportion of workers at firms with three to 49 workers covered by an employer plan fell by more than 25%. This rule should help reverse that decline. The rule also makes it easier for small businesses to compete with larger businesses for talent. (Read more )



    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/pers...x9fj0WeTr3ZQ9AbDCz5ay1eWdRXVHOYr98P2yCnshbpr0
     
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    They were the worst schools under Obama also. Here is how to make schools better. But the Democrats are fighting it because of the teacher's union https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...ea0e2634b9f63fd551770ffa556127cd&action=click

    I asked you what we make here besides food that we can sell the average person abroad. What we sell is mostly high tech to business and countries, not to the average consumer. Like super computers, high tech tools and dies, locomotives, weapons, etc.
     
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    BS. If it were a luxury, you’d have a choice. Do you decide where your taxes are going and when and if you pay them ? Of course not.

    We live our lives as socialists. Deal with it.
    We can’t survive without paying taxes to a local, state and federal government that owns, controls and regulates your work nearly every single product you have or use and how you live. You’re on this line because the government derived Internet was once turned over for private use. It’s laughable you think capitalism alone left to its own devices provides much more then rusted out mufflers, pollution and robo calls that wake you out of a sound sleep.

    That’s what capitalism uncontrolled by socialism looks like.
     
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    Of course, the day OBama took office the schools were wonderful under “no child left behind” a deep recession, two wars and millions of middle class workers loosing their jobs.
    That was all Obama’s fault. The right lead recession mongers known as the gop actually passes an economic plan WRITTEN
    by corporate lobbyist.....and its Obama’s fault.. wow. .
    You’re idea of improving schools ? Let’s pay teachers less and cut out healthcare altogether. Let’s just let the bad teachers die off and arm the teachers that are left. Cause more guns mean less violence and better education..., great idea (sarc).The do nothing ideas of republicans **********s are delusional.
     
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    You really have to luv deregulation and corporate pollution causing AGW. Let’s all bask in the sun of non tax paying Amazon. Corporate lobbyists actually write your tax laws under Trump. Must be because they’re the only ones who can read-and write.

    Oh, sorry. AGW is a Ukrainian hoax. After all, traitor Trump Moscow Mitch says Russia can do no wrong, while humping Putin’s leg and waiting for their next story line.
     
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