Trump-Netanyahu’s ‘deal of the century’ revealed

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  1. Poohbear

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    I don't trust Wikipedia, so I checked.

    It's not a book. It's an article, and it has sources. Sources that have no connection whatsoever with Daniel Pipes, by the way.
    https://www.meforum.org/6264/why-the-oslo-process-doomed-peace#_ftn24
     
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    Must not have been many communists since the Israeli government is anything but. The region has blonde hair and blue eyes from crusaders and probably even back as far as Romans.
     
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    Twenty-three years after its euphoric launch on the White House lawn, the Oslo "peace process" between Israel and the
    Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) stands out as one of the worst calamities to have afflicted the Israeli-Palestinian
    conflict. For Israel, it has been the starkest strategic blunder in its history, establishing an ineradicable terror entity on its
    doorstep, deepening its internal cleavages, destabilizing its political system, and weakening its international standing. For
    the West Bank and Gaza Palestinians, it has brought subjugation to the corrupt and repressive PLO and Hamas regimes,
    which reversed the hesitant advent of civil society in these territories, shattered their socioeconomic wellbeing, and made
    the prospects of peace and reconciliation with Israel ever more remote. This in turn means that, even if the territories were
    to be internationally recognized as a fully-fledged Palestinian state (with or without a formal peace treaty with Israel), this will
    be a failed entity in the worst tradition of Arab dictatorships at permanent war with both Israel and its own subjects
     
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    Forget any peace deals. The Palestinians will accept only one - getting their land back.

    Arafat re Oslo Accords.
    I know that you are opposed to the Oslo accords, but you must always remember what I'm going to tell you.
    The day will come when you will see thousands of Jews fleeing Palestine. I will not live to see this, but you
    will definitely see it in your lifetime. The Oslo accords will help bring this about
    .[5]

    These Arabs have turned the Left wing socialist Israelis into hard core Right wingers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
     
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    Oh, no you di'int!!!!
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    wow
     
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    As I mentioned Putin has a close relationship with Netanyahu, otherwise the Israeli jets wouldn't have been allowed into Syria.

    Vladimir Putin pardoned the Israeli girl who was facing 7 years in prison as a favor to Netanyahu before his visit. The girl was travelling from India to Israel and she said she was not aware she was carrying hashish. Was it her second time, because if it wasn't then she might be innocent. I know of a case of a Greek model that was unknowingly duped into carrying drugs into Hong Kong and the Greek government had the hardest time trying to free her.

    As for the deal of the century, and the meeting between Vladimir Putin and Netanyahu, this is what the Russian spokeswoman Zakharova said in Sputnik:

    "We are ready for further constructive group work aimed at sustainable comprehensive settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict. We intend to coordinate our actions closely with Palestinian and Israeli colleagues, and, undoubtedly, the countries in the Middle East and North Africa, members of the Middle East Quartet, international mediators, all sides interested in reaching sustainable peace in the Middle East as soon as possible," Maria Zakharova said.
    This might come as a surprise, but unlike our politicians Vladimir Putin is trusted by all the nations in the Middle East. This doesn't mean that Iran and Turkey aren't resentful about him curbing their ambitions somewhat, but economic necessity leaves them with no choice.

    Putin's Foreign Minister Lavrov is the world's foremost diplomat and has been quite adept at bringing warring factions together - especially in Syria. Had it not been for the subversive actions of Obama and now the war mongers behind Trump, the war in Syria would have ended a long time ago. This is why Lavrov said Kerry is a good man, but Obama is pure evil.


     
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    It does make you think. The Nazis said the Jews were conspiring to take over the world - pure rubbish of course .... but then look what the Israelis are doing. Why does this have to be? Similar events in South Africa. The Apartheid geezers said that if it were to come to "black rule" the country would be mayhem. And just look at it now. It is very disconcerting when the people I despise (from every aspect) turn out to be right.
     
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    They don't they demand that green line border that includes Israel, and the right of return to their properties....
    That would be according to international law.

    Israel is de facto ruling over Israel and the West Bank, and applied apartheid rule against 80% of the Arabs.
     
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    So what. They could have gone to Jordan at that point.
    It's israels responsibility now as an occupying force
     
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    That is not from wikipedia.
    That is from Pal watch media... a hate site banned from Youtube.
     
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    Would the Palis enjoy first class citizenship equal to the Isrealis? Or would they be treated the way Blacks were treated in the Old South? Or the way Black South Africans were treated before Mandela was released from prison?
     
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    Why look abroad? How about the way Ethiopian (Zionist) Jews are being treated in Israel itself? Not very good, I understand.
    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/ethiopian-jews-once-hailed-now-cast-aside/

     
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    Okay, but is it true?
    Complaints about Arafat saying one thing in English and another in Arabic
    are legendary. And it makes sense - he had two constituents, his Arab base
    and the people he needed to internationalize the conflict.
     
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    I wouldn't watch it. I can imagine. People are people. We kick our own soldiers around a lot.
    But such images are designed for manipulation. An Ethiopian soldier would fare far better in
    the IDF than in an Ethiopian brigade. And besides, the video wants to suggest that ALL Jews
    are like this - which of course they aren't.
    LAST WEEK ISRAELI ARABS REJECTED ANY ATTEMPT TO REASSIGN THEM AS WEST
    BANK PALESTINIANS. THEY WANT TO BE ISRAELIS, THANK YOU MISTER TRUMP.
     
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    Yes, those run down Jordanian hospitals were not built in the West Bank.
    Without the Jews and the British, Palestine would be a swamp infested
    part of the Turkish empire, a backwater of Syria.
     
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    Yes, it's true.



    A former Palestinian journalist explains why Oslo couldn't bring the desired peace and expected economic boom in PA territories (the very short version - because the Palestinian leadership didn't wanna):
    https://jcpa.org/defeating-denormalization/palestinian-authoritys-policy-denormalization/

    I'll drop one more link here, even though I'm not usually a fan of Christian views on Israel (sorry, religious bias is still a bias, and I'm wary of biases of all types). This article is quite accurate though:
    https://int.icej.org/news/commentary/hidden-agenda-behind-hudna
     
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    Interesting, but I can't read the second one because I can't find a date on it.
     
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    There are references to events and links to articles from 2016, but not later. The article must have been written in late 2016 or early 2017.
     
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    Don't watch the video if you have a weak stomach. But I did provide another link (you probably didn't see it) and that should satisfy your scepticism :below: :below: :below:

     
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    These emotive videos are designed to manipulate.
    Showing a video of the IDF kicking someone around proves nothing more
    than boys will be boys. The video will have you believe this is the policy of
    the IDF, which it isn't. It will have you believe all soldiers are the same -
    which they aren't. For every one bully in the army you might have a dozen
    soldiers who would prefer to fire over the heads of the enemy rather than
    kill them (as is quite common in warfare.)

    Example. There's this famous picture of a naked girl, burnt from napalm
    by the Americans in the Vietnam War. She summed up the war.
    She was in the city of Hue which was briefly occupied by the Communists
    in about 1968, Tet offensive. She was caught in the cross fire.
    What isn't shown was the Communists who dug a trench down the middle
    of the city and tortured or buried alive thousands of Vietnamese because
    they did not rise up and support the "people's revolution." No media was
    present. Essentially, to the Western mind, it never happened.
     
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    1- We don't know why they are beating him. They may have good reasons or not, we don't have all the facts.

    2- It was the south vietnamese army who dropped napalm on that fgirl, not the USA. It was a south vietnamese operation. This fact is also ommited by most for propaganda reason.
     
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    Thanks for that.
     

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