Trump-Netanyahu’s ‘deal of the century’ revealed

Look at a pre 1947 map before we created Israel and you will see a fairly large country called Palestine.Now Dirty Donald is proposing squeezing them into an even smaller area than the small one they have today.

 

Are you clairvoyant? You think that you can comment on the context of something you haven't read. Oh boy!

 

You expect a people to accept Apartheid and Domination for eternity? That is what this deal is. The UN of course has said this illegal deal is not acceptable.

I imagine you also know that due to Israel's continued stealing of land and evicting Palestinians from land there is and has been for a very long time only one possible solution which is One State will full citizenship and equal rights for all its citizens.

In the meantime the world needs to watch that no further ethnic cleansing or a genocide is committed there.

 

Everything everyone needs to know is in that sentence.

 

Be strong man....one day perhaps the images will wear off....

 

Again you're lost by your own words, genocide and ethnic cleansing are not the threat to the Palestinians.

 

Certainly the Palestinians have the raw end of the stick.
But this must be tempered with facts and personal honesty.
ANY deal that did not give the Palestinians back the land
they had in 1900 (forget 1967) is to be rejected.
And with each rejection of each offer their situation gets
worse. It's a truism in the Middle East that Palestinians
accept the last deal, which is now off the table.

And around 1900 some Arabs took offense of Jews
owning land they had bought from other Arabs. They
even claimed the Jezreel Valley was stolen from them
after the Jews paid-through-the-nose for it and drained
the malaria swamps. So you aren't going to win with
any argument here - and that's where the Palestinians
are now, in a situation all of their own where they are
not going to win. Sad really.

 

Ethnic cleansing from land Israel wants, is and has been an ongoing process. Israel has been committing cultural genocide on the Palestinians since 48 - destroying their homeland and taking what she wants of their culture as hers. Israel has no problem killing hundreds of Palestinian children at a time while she fights with the most deadly weapons of war against mainly civilians having given up on international law concerning care of civilians. Any country which shoots and kills people including children, medics and the Press for protesting that those killing them are living in lands they threw them out of at gun point which they still have a legal right to be living in and any country which supports this murder and total disregard for International law are countries which are outside of anything civilised and humane but have a very definite relationship to 1930's fascist countries - something people used to say we had fought ww2 to end.

People judge people on how they act not what they say.

Of course their lack of interest in International law was also visible in their attacks on the PMF in Iraq deliberately done to provoke a reaction so that the US could kill Soleimani hopefully starting the war with Iran that Israel has been after for a long time.

 

You're not a realist; you're a dreamer alexa, and we've been over it many times before.

Jews are not suicidal.

 

So... the UN is beating itself in its hollow, useless chest? What else is new?

 

Odd, travel around Israel and all the signs are in Arabic and Hebrew.
And go up to the Temple Mount - lots of Arabs there worshiping. No
Jews can worship ON THEIR OWN TEMPLE MOUNT.
And it's not surprise that Arab Israelis reject Trump's proposal 'cos
they could be under control of the West Bank and the corrupt
Fatah --- think about it.
repeat... think about it.

 

Is this the same UN which allowed 140,000 missiles to be smuggled into Lebanon?

 

Yes yes I'm out of tears already
What I meant was if you are looking for genocide and ethnic cleansing - that's the wrong place to look, its the building now on.

 

Yep. The same UN which has created a permanent refugee class in Palestine and created self-serving UNRWA, employing 30,000 people and providing Palestinians with free money.

 

The best take, in my judgement, of the “Great Deal”.
Points made:
1) America should butt out—Let the Israelis and the Palestinians work out their own problems.
2) No financial support of Israel.
3) Stand by Israel morally as the only free nation in the Middle East.
4)Tell the Palestinians to grow the fk up and throw off the shackles of Islamic tyranny and fight for the right to live free and prosperous.



Brilliant.

And do the Palestinians choose to grow up and live? No, they choose suicide as a way of life.

“The Palestinian Authority has cut all ties with the US and Israel, including those relating to security..”

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/palestinians-cut-ties-israel-us-trump-peace-plan

 

I am speaking about realism. What is your misconception with alexa's statement and the UN disregarding Trump's plan?

This ..... is the issue you are now addressing so let's hear what you have to say. Anything?

I assume that you are speaking metaphorically? Where I have expressed an anti-Jewish sentiment, eh? Oh, and since you bring it up I have actually rescued "smashed Jewish tombstones" in North Africa and reinstated them on my own initiative. Know who you are talking to before you open your snout.

 

Let me give you some insight, although I am fully aware that you will reject it as soon as you've read it.

The reason why so many Germans, Hungarians, etc. found it easy to process the Jews in extermination camps is that by the time the Jews arrived they were already in a destitute condition. They looked like sewer rats from enduring beatings, degradation, and starvation. Obviously this was not the fault of the Jews themselves but the camp guards saw only half-humans deserving of death.

So here you have the Palestinians who have suffered generations of virtual homelessness. You see them as scum bent on confrontation. Would you prefer for them to walk into Israel wearing suits and ties eager to give up their land?

 

... and what is the reason their chest is "hollow and useless"? I am talking about how it came to be that way. What is your explanation for that?

 

Gilos you have already made it clear that to you the love is of killing and you call any who call you out on it 'haters' even when Jews.

I disagree as to your belief that the world now does not need to keep a keen eye on Israel with the help of the US ethnically cleansing or even engaging in genocide against the Palestinians. If you think I am alone in this idea you clearly have never read anything but the portion of Americans and Israel's who are intent on Armageddon. Whether it is because of Israel's fascism and ethnic Nationalism or the religious extremists she looks like she is trying to bring the world to WW3 and given that that will destroy the planet an added act of destruction. Now that is hateful as are your posts accusing people of things which do not belong to them but then we know that that is what Israelis are like, don't we, try to hide from their inhumane actions by bringing up the people who were killed in the holocaust - the survivors of whom they used to call soap.

 

No we have been over your desire to kill Palestinians many times but the concept of having Universal International Law is something the US has only just recently made clear it no longer even by rhetoric adheres to. How the other countries will respond we need to wait and see.

It is considered and I would say accurately considered antisemetic to consider all Jews as complicit with the actions of Israel.

 

In this particular context? By creating UNRWA, the UN has created generations of professional refugees existing purely on donations and doing nothing to lift themselves out of their situation. What the UN has done for Palestinians they haven't done for any other people of the world. The UN has screwed Palestinians more than Israelis. That's why I call them useless.

 

I dunno whatcha talking about, alexa.

 

You lump all Jews together as if they all were Israeli and even then the extreme right Israelis, which granted is the majority now.

Identifying all Jews with the actions of Israel which you do do is considered antisemetic in my country. Not all Jews even believe there should be a states of Israel. Liberal American Jews have allowed themselves to believe there could be a two state solution long after that was obviously no longer possible. That is no longer possible due to Israel refusing to honour Oslo. Many of them are very critical of Israel. To gather all Jews together and believe they all feel the way you feel is stereotyping them to your fantasy and certainly in my country is considered antisemetic. I do not know how things are in the US though I believe there is an increase in white nationalism hatred against Jews. In the UK I think the situation is trying to turn into what it has been in the US for decades - the US seems to be moving out of except of course for Christian Zionists and extreme zionists. Israel has become prominent in our political discourse. Work is going on to make sure that speaking against Israel is impossible and unfortunately due to people being too terrified to say the emperor has no clothes looks like it is possibly going to be successful. That will have us running with Israel and the Christian Right US as a fascist state. Scotland of course will become independent to avoid being involved in this.


and by the way in case you have not noticed it is the Israelis who are doing the killing against defenceless people.

 

Just tell them not to smash things in your next gathering then, you make all these accusations on the Jewish state and then surprised ppl see Jews as global conspirators ? no I'm not impressed by your rescue at all, to have an abyssal hate toward 8 Million ppl and call it not only moral but mandatory while condemning hate toward 14 Million because that would be racism ? not buying.

To the point.....the UN will not draw borders so clinging to a 100 year old dismissed offer will get you nowhere, that you keep mentioning UN while rejecting 181 is ridiculous IMO...

 

I am thinking more on the lines of certain nations disregarding International law ... and how it came to be that way. But on your unrelated point, I agree with you.