Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

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  1. JCS

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    Only because it was sitting in the water & not resting on bedrock (like in the Arctic/N. Pole).
     
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    I believe that should be YOUR task.
     
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    If resting on bedrock thousands of feet below the surface the ice would not be melting.
     
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    You are the Google master. As is the case of 2+2=5 you can find anything you want about global warming to confirm your faith based bias.
     
  5. JCS

    JCS Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, if there was no internet I'd be referring to books, journals, magazines, data graphs, lectures, govt. agency & university research, etc. But it's all now on the internet. So naturally I would use it.
     
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    Only some of it is resting that deep. Plus, warmer ocean currents can (and do) flow very deeply...but they originate from thousands of miles away.

    Melting at the grounding line/zone is undisputed.
     
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    Ocean currents do not occur in bedrock.

    No melting in the winter.
     
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    What books are on the internet ??
     
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    One day it is an absolute conviction that brings forth your statement, "BTW glaciers don’t melt," and now the absolute conviction that “Glaciers melt at the top every summer.”

    The first thing I do when I hear such absolutes is wonder, and ask, really?
    https://www.livescience.com/19696-karakoram-himalayan-glacier-lopsided-melting.html
    https://www.livescience.com/48256-asia-karakoram-glaciers-stability.html

    Thinking in absolutes is probably not letting anything get through to you. Climate is too chaotic, for many reasons such as geography (not all tectonic plates are nice little equal squares), to have too many absolutes.

    The absolute that you put forward where you said, “The only way to scientifically prove that increasing CO2 emissions is causing our current warming is to remove CO2 from the atmosphere which is impossible to do,” is simply another example of your thought process.

    “If resting on bedrock thousands of feet below the surface the ice would not be melting.” (AFM)

    There again an absolute, which may not be true, such is why I had black snot in Antarctica from Erebus, a volcano in the region of this map:

    https://i1.wp.com/www.climatechangedispatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/antartica.jpg

    Resting on bedrock is no evidence “ice would not be melting.”

    Pay attention to your absolutes, and try to change that kind of thinking.
     
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    Really, dude, lots. Project Gutenberg...
     
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    Seriously dude?! Is that what I said?!

    It's called the "grounding line" because that's where the ice (on the bedrock) first makes contact with the ocean.

    And regarding winters: The winters are warmer, there's less snow & ice buildup, and the summers are warmer which = greater melting each year (faster than it can be replenished in winter).
     
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    The global average temperature has increased less than 1 degree Centigrade since measurements have been taken and you are seriously saying that the glaciers are melting due to that ??
     
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    Ice does not melt at temperatures below freezing.
     
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    So you have nothing.
     
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    That is the global average temperature increase across the year. The rate of increase in the arctic range is higher and more significant at specific times of the year.
     
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    Increase per year ??? Where did you get that from ???

    From NASA the total global average temperature increase to date from 1880 is 0.94 degrees Centigrade.
     
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    FLASH

    Over the next several months,
    the Northern Hemisphere is going to experience
    a warming trend.

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    Moi :oldman:






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    Yes, summer is fast approaching. Humanity is doomed. Head for the high ground.
     
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    Oh
    now "they" want to explain it as seasonal.
    :rolleyes:
     
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    The oceans have absorbed 90% of the global warming (note how much cooler the coastal regions are than inland). That's the primary force melting the ice worldwide via the strong, enlarging warm ocean currents, and weather extremes. The goal is to keep the global average from ever reaching any more than 1.5 C. But even that will be difficult at the rate we're going.
     
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    No kidding.

    Ocean currents are above freezing.
    Milder winters = less snow = less ice.
    Hotter summers = increasing rate of ice loss.
     
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    The oceans have always absorbed ~ 90% of the incident solar energy. The oceans cyclically distribute heat around the globe via horizontal and vertical currents.

    Global warming is net beneficial. There is no politically possible way to significantly reduce global CO2 emissions. Those are two facts that alarmists cannot refute.
     
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    You are actually arguing that an increase of less than 1 degree Centigrade over the last 140 years is melting the glaciers ??? How many more days are above freezing in the arctic now vs 1880 ??
     
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    One of the reasons the ocean levels have risen is because they've expanded by absorbing excess heat. So considering how rapid this has occurred this increase is not normal. Factor in the reason for the excess heat with CO2 production and you can do the math. It's not nature and it's not geothermal heat doing this.

    Also, not everyone is an "alarmist" just because they present the science..lol
     
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    1 C is the global average. That doesn't mean the poles and other regions of the globe will not experience weather extremes like unusual high & low temps...also extreme rain/heavy flooding, extreme droughts, etc. in other parts of the world.

    The increase in CO2 has caused extreme weather anomalies worldwide, despite only a global average rise of 1 C.
     
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