Pam Bondi DROPS A MOAB ON Joe Biden and Son Hunter Biden at Senate Impeachment Trial

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  1. JCS

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    He can't officially proclaim Trump as "guilty" because he was never able to question Trump. It would not be fair. But Mueller did make his feelings on the matter perfectly clear.
     
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    Dershowitz being in the extreme minority of the profession as even the sources he uses disagree with him.
     
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    He will forever be impeached :)
     
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    As I highlighted he was able to "offiically question" him.... moreover, he doesn't have to declare him guilty and in fact it would be improper, since that's not the role of a prosecutor...his role was to simply say they were or wasn't probable cause to indict. Which is even a much lower standard. He couldn't even do that.
     
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    How can Mueller conduct a thorough investigation without questioning the mastermind/central figure in all of this? Trump's lawyers can answer the questions any way they like with impunity because no follow-up questions can be asked.

     
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    The accused was Trump. Trump was the target. But he skated because (1) he refused to be questioned, (2) his aids/associates lied under oath (part of why 37 people around him were indicted), and (3) Mueller refused to indict a sitting president per the OLC's policy guidelines.
     
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    True...that's not the role of the prosecutor. But like I said, he made his personal feelings perfectly clear on Trump's guilt...particularly when he said he would charge the president if he were not in office. Can't get more clear than that. He also kept to the OLC's policy guidelines regarding the indictment of a sitting president (which I think is the most stupid policy ever...but that's human stupidity for you).
     
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    In our country you are innocent until proven guilty.
     
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    As Lev Parnas said in an interview...Trump's greatest weapon is William Barr. (Which is why Barr, aka "Cover-up General Barr", should also be removed.)
     
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    He never said that. Not at all. Haha

    it’s a great policy that didn’t prevent him from making the recommendation like Starr djd.
     
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    Nothing prevented him from sending more questions over. He did ask trump...not sure who the mastermind was, since he found not Russian conspiracy
     
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    Here's Mueller's explanations as to why he didn't follow through with charges:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why...mp-with-obstruction-according-to-his-report-5
    • They adhered to the OLC's 1973 decision that a sitting president cannot be indicted.
    • They believed that if their report suggested Trump could face federal charges without actually bringing them, it would not be fair because there would be no trial, and he wouldn't have an opportunity to clear himself.
    • Mueller did not consider filing a sealed indictment against Trump out of fear that it would be leaked and significantly impede his ability to govern.
     
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    lol...Please! I just wonder if you really buy all the nonsense you post.

    Why would Mueller send more questions if he'll just get the same kind of evasive answers (that is, if Trump even answers them).

    Not sure who the mastermind is...LOL
    I guess Cohen and the other 37 people indicted around Trump weren't sure who they were working for or on whose behalf, eh? LOL
     
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    Yet, people still claim that the report suggests crimes.
     
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    It was interesting that Nancy and her thugs did not present the Mueller Report as grounds for impeachment.
     
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    oh? Quote it
     
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    What should of mueller done? Not asked questions?
     
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    Mueller's statements:

    "As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime."

    "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

    "Under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited."

    "The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice, and by regulation, it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

    "I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictments that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interference in our election. That allegation deserves the attention of every American."


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    Mueller said that the internal Justice Department opinion barring the prosecution of a president also “says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing.” That “process,” which Mueller did not name, is impeachment.
     
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    He did not conclude a crime was committed and repeatedly said the opinion of the DOJ was not the reason, why. Moreover the House reviewed, interviewed and found nothing to impeach. The House complete exonerated him by not impeaching
     
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    It didn't work the first time. Mueller's not a dummy & had access to a lot of info on Trump. He knew what kind of person he was dealing with.
     
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    What didn’t work? Finding enough evidence to support recommending a crime? I agree
     
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    Go back and read his quotes. He explained why he didn't come to that conclusion. It had nothing to do with Trump's innocence or any lack of evidence.

    The House impeached Trump. The Senate conducted a sham, no-evidence-allowed trial.
     
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    What didn't work the first time was trying to obtain the necessary information from Trump via questionnaires. I already showed you how Trump (actually his lawyers) answered the questions...being evasive, vague, and not even answering many of the questions.
     
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    You missed the quotes where he said he could have done it. He did t

    the House didn’t impeach trump for anything in the mueller report. Shifty knew there wasn’t anything there and went another route...which’s was weaker yet.
     

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