About the Holocaust

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  1. Quasar44

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    Zionist dream was to establish a nation and live in peace
     
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    Pales will never abandon terrorism
    They turned down Both Bill Clinton and Trump
     
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    Israel is thriving and in top 10 most expensive nations while Pales live in the poorest conditions anywhere
     
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    Is that when jews attacked and killed hundreds of Arabs
    I can’t remember ..yes it was bad
     
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    I'm not saying that Zionism was a bad idea at first. But they chose the wrong place for their new nation.
     
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    There can be no other place as it’s the land of their ancestors
     
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    You're right. Nothing justifies spreading such an egregious and easily debunked lie such as the standard holocaust narrative however, when so much money is involved, there is more than enough to enrich hundreds of thousands of actors in the game.

    Additionally, if anything qualifies as an unfounded "conspiracy theory", it is the physically impossible standard holocaust narrative that has been debunked at every turn.

    It was Norman Finkelstein who coined the phrase "The Holocaust Industry" which is the title of one of his books that exposes the crass exploitation and unbridled greed exemplified by the international, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry that is more interested in littering the planet with taxpayer funded holocaust theme parks and brainwashing gullible individuals through MSM than compensating deserving holocaust survivors (1).

    With each grisly museum / theme park comes high paying positions. For example, the director of the D.C. Holocaust museum makes well over one million dollars per year(2) and that's just one of countless taxpayer funded holocaust theme parks around the world.

    With the billions of dollars that continue to be extorted from Germany, the U.S., other countries and various industries along with the profits from countless fictional and "historic" films and books, there's more than enough to enrich hundreds of thousands of greedy actors in the game whose livelihood depends on deceiving the millions who know little about the era except what they're fed through an unreliable MSM.

    Meanwhile, there is absolutely no mention of homicidal gas chambers or a "genocide" in any of the original 1946 Red Cross reports or in the extensive books written by Churchill, Eisenhower, de Gaulle or in intercepted German radio transmissions or by shunned survivors who tell the truth(3).

    Why?





    (1) "15 months after reparations paid, Holocaust survivors have yet to see money"
    http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-86151111/



    (2). “UNITED STATES HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM”
    http://nonprofitlight.com/dc/washington/79354-united-states-holocaust-memorial-museum

    Sara J Bloomfield. Director. $1,295,544


    (3) “Holocaust - Survivors who Tell the Truth”
    https://archive.org/details/Holocaust-SurvivorsWhoTellTheTruth
     
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    But the country now has other owners who have lived there for hundreds of years.

    What would you do if the previous owner comes to your house and tells you to go now because he wants to live there again? :(
     
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    Not many people are aware of the extensive degree to which Nazi Germany trained, armed and enabled Zionist colonists for life in Palestine:


    EXCERPT "In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany.

    Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs."CONTINUED. (1)



    (1). "Zionism and the Third Reich"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
     
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    Before the Nazis decided to mass murder the European Jews, they tried to get them to go voluntarily to Palestine. Heydrich said: "As National Socialist, I'm of course also Zionist".

    Zionist aggression against the indigenous Palestinians has developed over time. The persecution of Jews under Nazi reign certainly has a part in this. A child who is mistreated, beaten and humiliated often becomes a cruel adult like his tormentor.
     
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    Back to the topic of this thread.

    I don't see where you've produced any hard evidence to support the myth that there was a systematic & industrialized mass murder of European Jews.
    There was never a written execution order such as the ones used by Stalin, the 1946 Red Cross Report found no evidence of a genocide, intercepted German radio transmissions reveal no mass murder, former inmates knew nothing about homicidal gas chambers when thousands of them were interviewed after the war, Eisenhower, Churchill, de Gaulle make no mention of a genocide or gas chambers in their extensive books, not one autopsy of the thousands conducted showed death by cyanide gas, not one remaining homicidal gas chamber has ever been found etc etc.

    Photos of dead bodies that could be German POWs, residual Allied propaganda via MSM and frequently debunked eyewitness stories are not hard evidence of a genocide.

    Even if you don't accept the Revisionist position, you must admit that there are more than enough solid reasons for any rational and independent thinking person to reject the holocaust myths without being anti Semitic or pro Nazi.
     
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    I don't have to "produce" this.
    There are plenty of history books about the Holocaust from different perspectives.
    It's your problem alone why you don't accept any of them. :(
     
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    The UN actually gave the Jews only 1/3 of it and then all the Arabs invaded and , by miracle , the Jews won in 48
     
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    American Jews of the US Airforce were able to snuggle In US jets and this shocked the Arabs
     
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    50 percent of Jews in Israel came from Arab nations when they were expelled in the 40s
    The other 50 percent came from Europe ..mostly survivors from Poland and Russia
     
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    Only suitable place for Jews Is Israel and they won’t ever leave
    The nation is very safe and I have been there
     
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    This is a better place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
    No rockets, no Hamas fighters. :)

    I know someone who heard a bomb detonating at a bus stop in Tel Aviv. Only a mile away from the hotel where he lived. Israel is a war zone. Hamas wants their country back.
     
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    Israel has constructed massive walls around their nation that is backed up with snipers. land mines , tanks , drones
    Israel is very safe
     
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    I like you !!
    Hamas is a ruthless terrorist organization
    I hope you know that
    Israel has several layers of anti rocket technology and will add on laser defense soon
    It’s very safe
     
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    Hamas is the Islamic resistance organization against the occupation of Palestine.
    They don't have a regular army, so they're waging guerilla war.

    Here is their website: https://hamas.ps/en/
     
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    I'm willing to consider any evidence that is rational, impartial and at least physically possible such as the original Red Cross reports (1946)

    "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross"

    "The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide"
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED


    After decades of studying WW 2 and the Holocaust and knowing dozens of holocaust survivors and WW 2 Veterans from both sides of the war while living, studying and working in Europe, I simply cannot believe the residual Allied propaganda narrative as it is presented through MSM.

    I think that it is naive to think that only the "other" side uses propaganda to depict their opponent as cruel, evil and heartless but since the victors write the history, the Allied propaganda narrative is all that's left. and that's the heart of the SHN.

    Holocaust myth makers exhibit a desperate effort to slander anyone who doesn't believe the SHN as Neo Nazis and/or anti Semites because of the physical impossibility of the SHN, however I believe I've shown that rejecting the SHN has nothing to do with pro Nazi or anti Jewish sentiment.
    It's simply a willingness and an ability to look at the events of an era with critical objectivity.
     
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    Today the Red Cross regrets not having helped people back then. They believed that they had to be neutral. So they were silent about Nazi atrocities. :(

    https://www.icrc.org/en/document/icrc-wwii-holocaust
     
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    If there had actually been a real genocidal agenda, the Red Cross would have mentioned it in its 1946 Report which was composed after the war. Any alterations of that original, 1,600 page document were a result of Allied political pressure & tremendous pressure from the international Holocaust Industry - lobby.

    Meanwhile, the Red Cross wasn't allowed to either inspect or deliver food parcels to Eisenhower's and Stalin's real death camps while they were able to deliver food parcels to the German camps until the Allies destroyed Germany's ability to deliver food & medicine anywhere
     
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    In 1946, nobody could really guess the true extent of the Holocaust. That came out much later. The Red Cross estimated the number of victims at ~300,000. This was much too low. https://fullfact.org/online/holocaust-death-toll/

    Eisenhower had death camps? For whom and where? :eek:
     

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