Re: Of course the $100,000 reward is a challenge(1) directed for people who believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) since it is unnecessary to persuade those who already reject the SHN. The Holocaust Industry is an international, multi billion dollar Industry that is obsessed with brainwashing gullible individuals, persecuting Revisionists and censoring anything that threatens the marketing of their "product". They would like nothing more than to quash that website(1) but can't because few remains of anyone have been found at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. Richard Krege and a team from Australia examined all the areas claimed to be "mass graves" with an $80,000 GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) machine, augers etc and found nothing.(2) The remains simply aren't there because the inmates were transferred elsewhere or released. Re: Simply read the link I provided or research the hoax yourself. I have neither the need nor desire to deliberately deceive you since the facts speak for themself. Re: Even if that were true, it does not mean that they were executed by the Germans because the physical remains are nowhere to be found around any of the Reinhard camps. Additionally, detailed demographic studies by Eugene M. Kulischer "...concludes that the vast majority of deported Jews “went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.”(3) The same source lists numerous specific individuals who were either transferred, released or liberated. (1). "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00. REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED (2) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html EXCERPT "A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there."CONTINUED (3) "Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere" https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/ EXCERPT "Kulischer states that removal of the Jews to the east was largely motivated by the wish to make use of them as forced labor. Jews were not sent to work in the Reich because this would violate the policy of making Germany free of Jews. Kulischer states that “deportation to the east is for Jews the equivalent of the recruitment for work in the Reich to which the rest of the population of German-controlled Europe is subject, and their removal further and further eastward is doubtless connected with the need for supplying the army’s requirements near the front.” Kulischer concludes that the vast majority of deported Jews “went to the General Government, and further east to the German and Rumanian-occupied territories of the Soviet Union.” Nowhere in his book does Kulischer speak of extermination camps or of a German policy of genocide of the Jews. The demographic evidence does not support such a conclusion." CONTINUED
I simply can't accept HC denier claims as facts. You have to make an effort to convince me. Now you disappoint me. I thought you were something of a missionary of Holocaust denial?!
Remains of the Operation Reinhard death camps that were found in 1945: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_5940.html
As I said earlier in our exchange, my primary objective was to try to maintain a civil and respectful discussion with someone who actually believes the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) since previous discussions with holocaustians have always resulted in their resorting to slander, flame bait, insults & evasions. I appreciate your part in maintaining a civil and respectful dialogue even though you have chosen not to answer many questions I have posed that show that the SHN is physically, logistically, and historically impossible. Another objective of mine has been to show that rejecting the SHN is no more anti Semitic than condemning the Zionist ethnic cleansing being carried out by Israel's current government. None of the facts I have presented have anything to do with hating Jews or pro Nazi sentiment. I have not been interested in "winning a debate" or "scoring points" but rather to present more than enough evidence to cause any open minded holocaustian to at least reconsider their beliefs. However by saying: "I simply can't accept HC denier claims as facts." you have admitted that you have closed your mind and any attempt to change your mind would be futile for anyone to undertake. There is an expression in English that goes: "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." In other words, I can present the facts that show the SHN to be fictitious but to anyone who has closed their mind and lacks critical thinking ability, those facts are of little use. Re: I don't recall making any such claim. I am simply a military Veteran with many interests who has lived, studied, worked and traveled throughout Europe, the Balkans, S.E. Asia, the Mid East, and the Caribbean. Over nearly 70 years, I have lived, worked with and developed many friendships with both WW 2 and holocaust survivors of varied nationalities. Every one of the many people I've known who were deeply involved in WW 2 rejects the SHN as simply tiresome and transparent Allied propaganda and crassly exploited myths promulgated by the fraudulent, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry - Lobby. I'm sorry if I have disappointed you but if you've made up your mind to reject the many facts that refute the SHN, there's little that I or anyone else can do to open a closed mind. Thanks,
Communist/Polish reports are not considered reliable and your own source states: "Mattogno & Graf claimed that Łukaszkiewicz' investigations had failed to produce evidence of mass murder,..." No one doubts that typhus and similar diseases along with natural deaths were responsible for many of the casualties but nowhere near the claimed number of bodies have been found. Meanwhile, the $100,000- still stands: "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00. REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
CLARIFICATION Post # 933 Re: "There is an expression in English that goes: "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." In other words, I can present the facts that show the SHN to be fictitious but to anyone who has closed their mind and lacks critical thinking ability, those facts are of little use." I do not mean to imply that you have no critical thinking skills but rather that you seem not to be using them on this particular topic. Absolutely no offense meant. Sorry
I am even very critical on this topic. It would be so easy to believe the lies and fallacies of the denier community. But they can't simply talk away hundreds of living HC survivors and few yet living perpetrators. And also not the tons of historical documents and court records that prove the crime. Maybe one day when nobody lives who has experienced the HC by himself and can talk about it, then comes the great hour of the Holocaust deniers. Even today, people hardly understand this terrible part of history. Some seem to confuse Auschwitz with Disneyland.
Re: You're ignoring the thousands of survivors who contradict the SHN and there's absolutely nothing in the hundreds of tons of documents that indicates a genocide on a "systematic, industrialized" scale. EXCERPT "French historian, Germain Tillion, a specialist of the Second World War period, has warned that former camp inmates who lie are, in fact, ...very much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginations -- offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half-swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation. We have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to even go beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said happened to them. G. Tillion, "Le Systeme concentrationnaire allemand," Revue de l'histoire de la Deuxieme Guerre mondiale, July 1954. (Quoted in: IHR Newsletter, No. 59, July 1988, pp. 5, 6.)"CONTINUED In other words, HC survivors who frequently claim to meet the evil Dr. Mengele and go on about homicidal gas chambers etc are simply lying. You're forgetting that there is such an enormous fame and profit motive for these people to lie that of the 20 most popular books in Jewish literature, 19 of them are admittedly pure fiction. The glut of grisly Holocaust theme parks are precisely as full of fiction as Disneyland. How do explain the fact that of the thousands of former inmates interviewed by the Red Cross after the war, not one of them mentioned anything about "gas chambers"? (1) If the Nazi agenda were to exterminate all of Europe's Jews, why were there 150,000 Jews in Hitler's military with many of them holding the highest military ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors? You are aware, of course, that the persecuted Palestinians are not allowed to serve in the IDF. Why were there Jewish individuals who were high ranking members of the Nazi Party? Not one of the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers needed to kill "millions of people" exists or ever existed. Where are they? Did you ever read the source I cited that showed that Treblinka's "gas chamber" tiles had the maker's mark on the back of the tiles and had nothing to do with Judaism? Probably the most compelling questions is why is there so much pressure to brainwash today's school children about the Holocaust myth when the atrocities committed by Stalin, Mao and others were so much more extensive and horrific? If the true goal were to prevent ethnic cleansing (i.e. "Never forget"), why did the early Zionists immediately "forget" and commit atrocities that equaled or exceeded anything done by the SS? If the Holocaust was really so horrific, why are the Israelis engaged in their own ethnic cleansing at the same time they are memorializing the Holocaust they seek to monopolize & exploit? (1). “The Problems of Mass Gassing” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/ EXCERPT "This brings up the following questions: • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims. • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS! • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus. • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED
No, they were not: "No Bodies Found at Treblinka" http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html EXCERPT "A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there."CONTINUED Additionally, the "Suchomel confession" is simply another holocaustian hoax: "The Suchomel “Confession” in Claude Lanzmann’s “Shoah” Movie" .http://peterwinterwriting.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-suchomel-confession-in-claude.html EXCERPT "Most importantly however, the interview with Suchomel was clearly done with more than one camera—directly contradicting Lanzmann’s claims in theNew York Times. A stationary, hidden camera in a bag would only show one angle of a “secret” interview—but instead, as can be seen from the screenshots below, there are at least four different camera angles, each taken at differing focal lengths and perspectives—something that would be impossible with just one “hidden camera.” It is clear from this narrative alone, that even if Lanzmann did not tamper with the fuzzy film “interview”, all that Suchomel said was the typical “do-not-deny-it-happened-but-just-deny-that-I-was-involved” type confession which was the only way to avoid being caught up in further legal trouble in post-war Germany."CONTINUED
Here is some fresh fodder: The Battle for Auschwitz Israel Shamir • January 20, 2020 https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-battle-for-auschwitz/ The last Days of the Holocaust https://www.unz.com/estriker/the-last-days-of-the-holocaust/ Excerpt: If you’ve noticed that the Holocaust story appears more centered around Auschwitz than usual, it’s because this is the last straw Holocaustians have to grasp on. But here too, we are beginning to see official omissions of previously claimed homicidal gas chambers, for example at Auschwitz I (Stammlager), the main camp tourists visit. The USHMM now specifically distinguishes only Auschwitz II (Birkenau) as the site of homicide gassings. Revisionists like Robert Faurisson have always contended that the gas chamber shown to visitors is a fake. Even though the French newspaper L’Express was able to get the Auschwitz Museum to admit that the gas chambers they show to people are phony, official tour guides still present the exhibit as an authentic homicide gas chamber. On the infamous Deborah Lipstadt’s website, it says that the gas chamber isn’t a fake intended to fool visitors, it’s a “recreation” meant to be “symbolic”! Auschwitz appears to be the fortress those invested in Holocaust mythology are staking their last stand on. It is impossible for them to give any more ground without the whole story collapsing. The sanctity of the Holocaust narrative becomes even more imperiled thanks to the in-your-face genocidal jingoism of Netanyahu and the unsophisticated political class steering the Israeli ship. International Jewry has spent much of the last 75 years using the Holocaust as the sacred myth guiding the neo-liberal globalist order. Netanyahu today uses it as a cheap gimmick to push for Israel’s short-term geopolitical goals. The Israeli’s actively tried to make Vladimir Putin the star of this year’s Holocaust show, even though most Jews see Russia as an affront to the liberal world order. Netanyahu is desperate to do whatever it takes to pull the Russians away from their alliances in Syria and Iran so that the Israeli war machine can continue to advance. At this point, it’s not a question of historical accuracy but of power. And only power can check power. We are living in the last days of the Holohoax. ----- I'm cautiously hopeful that the truth will some day soon come to the fore and will free and exonerate the many innocent people wasting away in prisons for having doubted the prescribed Holocaust story. How absolutely insane it is to incarcerate 90+ year-olds for merely telling it as they know it, or just doubting the sheer unimaginable atrocities committed by the Germans. At least the Americans have managed to preserve their right of free thinking and speaking, for now they have!
Things that are facts by 100 percent : Yes we landed on the moon Yes the Earth is not flat Yes 6 million Jews died in H. Yes the Big Bang is origins of our universe Yes Evolution is true
That's one of the fallacies of the HC deniers. May it be deliberate or stupid. Someone who survived because his future murderers were defeated and could no longer kill him, is in no case evidence for a non-existent intent to kill.
The fact that thousands of survivors contradict the SHN is supported by post war Red Cross interviews as I have frequently cited: “The Problems of Mass Gassing” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/ EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED The multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry-Industry has succeeded beautifully in brainwashing numerous gullible individuals who are sad casualties of "Groupthink" however holocaustian lies have never been able to stand up to even the mildest scrutiny. Thats why the Holocaust is the only conspiracy theory that needs repressive censorship laws to survive. Meanwhile, gullible holocaustian cult members are among the few who still believe grisly horror stories like the ones below: “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust” http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php EXCERPTS: • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years - Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED
You don't seem to recognize the difference between a "Holocaust denier" and a "Revisionist" Briefly put, a "Holocaust denier" believes that the entire holocaust story is completely false. A "Holocaust denier" doesn't believe that anyone was incarcerated or anyone was executed. A "Revisionist" acknowledges that some people were incarcerated and some were executed only not nearly on the scale misrepresented by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) Please note the enormous profit and fame motive for someone to claim that they were a "Holocaust survivor" and to parrot the same popular holocaust myths. Holocaust survivors who tell the truth are heavily censored and ostracized (3) (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED
The Red Cross interviewed prisoners who didn't know that they're destined to be eaten by the Nazi death machine. Nazis usually didn't tell their victims that they had to die.
Historical truth can't be revised. The Holocaust is not subject to speculation. The attempted genocide of Jews, Slavs, and Roma committed by the Nazis is a fact. Anyone who doubts that is just a fool. He knows nothing about the Nazi mindset. An HC denier claims that the Nazis didn't plan to wipe out the European Jewry. He doesn't do this out of ignorance. He wants to fool others. He knows the truth but lies intentionally.
I dont think I would last more than a month !!!! I am pretty tough at fighting but very weak when it comes to hard labor, little sleep, extreme stress and bitter cold and little food. I would have crumbled fast. The stress of doing one single thing wrong and your dead would have killed me. Maybe I could have lasted a month or 2
Some lived longer if they did important jobs for the Nazis. The men of the "Sonderkommando" had relatively good food and treatment. But after six months they were also killed. As a member of the crew pulling corpses from gas chambers, you had a slightly greater chance of survival.
Poles seem like a good folks You guys much better than Germans and Russians !! I hate Putin and Merkel
