Far-Right backing for German politician shocks Germany

I agree with this completely. Germany are literally sucking Russia’s **** right now.

 

You have surely misunderstood me, James. What I'm predicting is a kind of "co-prosperity sphere" involving leadership by a Germany-lead EU, the Russian Federation, and China. It will be mutually-beneficial for all three of these entities, and it will project power (military and economic) and authority over the entire Eastern Hemisphere....

Germany and Russia actually made a convincing beginning with that general idea way back in 1939 with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact... the Nonaggression Pact between Germany and the Soviet Union.... But Hitler recklessly and stupidly threw it all away by attacking the Soviets instead less than two years later, ultimately dooming Germany in World War II....

 

Hitler had two choices in the summer of 1940. Invade England or knock out the Soviets to guarantee England was neutralized and control of the continent was secure. The decision to attack Russia wasn't all that stupid as it would guarantee victory. What was stupid was not making Moscow the primary target. Had Moscow been taken in 1941 the Soviets would have been finished. His second stupid mistake was declaring war on the US four days after Pearl. That gave the US full justification for involvement in North Africa and the European theatre. Other mistakes include underestimating Soviet and American industrial capacity, not building up long range bombers and failing to use trucks in the movement of men and materiel. Also not using strategic withdrawal and counterattack s in the east in favour of a hold ground policy.

 

Ah, finally... someone who actually has read, and understood, the history surrounding Hitler's choices and the disastrous ones that he made!

I'll offer you a different scenario in which his bad decisions were applied in different amounts, in different places, at different times.

Hitler already had a declared war on his hands with Great Britain, and the Wehrmacht was actually within less than a month of forcing the Churchill government to stop all hostilities (just tantamount to a full surrender). The effectiveness of both the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe had been devastating for Britain, even though Hitler had let the British Expeditionary Force escape annihilation at Dunkirk (for reasons that utterly baffled German field commanders in France at the time).

Anyway, and I'll bet you know this... the Kriegsmarine had been highly successful in sinking ships bringing supplies to English ports, and the Luftwaffe had been very successful in bombing military targets throughout England, too. Then, Hitler and Göring decided that instead of continuing to focus entirely on military targets, they'd try just bombing the English civilian population, virtually at random. All that did was galvanize the support of the people for Churchill, and so the opportunity to force a British surrender was squandered away. There never was an "Operation Sealion" (Unternehmen Seelöwe), and soon Hitler was completely absorbed with his stupid, new blunders in Russia -- which never should have been launched in the first place!

Historians have written that Stalin viewed Hitler to be a dictator much like himself! Moreover, Stalin believed that Germany's nascent "National Socialism" was very close to being the same thing as Communism.... And, besides, for several hundred years already, the Russians had gotten along quite well with the Germans. Stalin didn't view Hitler as much of an active threat, and he was very content to 'split' Poland up with Hitler -- a very amicable arrangement, indeed!

. "OK, you boys take everything east of here, and we'll take all the west!"

 

According to Hitler, it was a response to Operation Dredsen, in which the British were bombing German civilian populations. So even though it wasn't a militarily strategic decision, it was a payback decision. Churchill wisely gambled that he could provoke Hitler off the war map.

 

I think you meant "Dresden" (not "Dredsen"), but even that's what you really meant, that Allied bombing didn't occur until February 1945.

Here's the thing -- Britain, France, and the other World War I Allies, including the United States, wanted Hitler to be a European buffer against Russian COMMUNISM, which threatened to spread like malignant cancer -- especially once the turmoil of the Great Depression began to crash economies all over the world. But, a number of prominent wealthy industrialists and big-wig politicians throughout 'the West' and inside Germany, thought they could easily control a nitwit like Hitler and keep him and his rough-cut tough guys from allowing Communism to get and keep a foothold in Western Europe. The WWI Allies were still reeling from all the horrific ruin and death from the first world war, and they knew their populations would not (NOT) be anxious to get slammed with another big war!

So, as the Great Depression dragged on, the insider-rulers of 'the West' let Nazi Germany swallow up more and more territory -- first, the Saar and the Ruhr "Gebiet" areas (which France had stolen at gunpoint because Germany couldn't pay its reparations debts). Next, as you surely know, Germany united itself with Austria (the "Anschluss Österreichs"), and then they took the "Sudetenland", followed quickly by gobbling up all of Czechoslovakia!

When it became increasingly clear that Hitler wasn't going to be their lapdog after all, England and France decided to threaten him with war if he took any more territory. So, Hitler made a non-aggression pact with Russia, invaded Poland, and then split Poland with Stalin. Militarily, it was brilliant! Britain and France declared war... France got its ass kicked completely off, and the British were run out of Norway and out of France at Dunkirk. Churchill bit off a hell of a lot more than he could chew, but, luckily for him, Hitler was an IDIOT, and he proved it by letting England 'off the hook', and invading Russia instead....

. "Meh... just becuz I was stupid, everybody thought Winnie was a GENIUS...?!"

 

Maybe it was another bombing incident then, because while I was on my yoyage of listening to his speeches(with English subtitles.), he had said(or perhaps it was a justification, but there's no need for that since at the time they were winning) that the British were bombing their cities and he's like "Everyone wants me to do something about it.". According to him, they didn't respond for a few weeks at a time, until they decided to(as you know) do the military strikes.

There's also audio on Youtube(or maybe it used to be on there) about Hitler talking about the Russo situation. The Russian-Finnish war was seen as a war of aggression by Hitler(figure that.) and he didn't want anything to deal with that. He also wanted to protect allies such as Romania. In addition to that, according to him German intelligence saw Russian troops build up on the east of the border of Germany. So he decided to take "the first strike."

What we in America would dub the Bush Doctrine. Of course, he was a propagandist, but I think there's a kernel of truth by taking all players, and he was most certainly a player of the times.

 

Look into Maser (German Historian) and Suvorov (Russian). They both suggest Hitler's war in the East was preemptive. I'm not sure how convinced I am, but it is interesting. Manstein was in full support of carrying out Sealion, but memoirs are deceiving. I agree with you and Manstein. Britain should have been dealt with first, but without America Britain could never launch an attack and Hitler's aims were always in the East. Interestingly it was MI5 and the Ultra program that played a huge role in defeating Germany. Had Hitler invaded Britain he may been able to shut down Ultra and crush the Soviets.

 

You are wrong on to many points.
First you did your military service and than the mandatory Labour service. Nothing about happy volunteering.
My father die 2 years in the Military, that 1 years in the Labour Service, was released and than 3 weeks later mobilized for Poland.
Second, the war was over when the first winter came.Even elite units like my fathers had not winter equipment, at all.
They had to scanvage the Soviet soldiers they killed. Most popular were the sheep skin coats, their boots with a wooden sole and their mittens. I still have the sheep skin coat my father took of a Soviet Soldier, including 5 bullet holes.
In the spring German equipment was not equipped to handle the mud. Tracks, wheels to narrow and so on.
Germany thought it could pull a fast one, like France, but the distance was just to great, ran out of supplies, Like Napoleon did and than winter came.
By the way my father was in Moscow, about 1/2 of a mile from the Kremlin, when the counter attack happened.

Poland, France and the early successes in Russia, made the German leadership drunk, stoned and they thought they could rush from victory to victory, with a army which depended mostly on horse drawn and soldiers walking.
Did you know that my fathers elite cav unit, used bicycles to invade Greece. They got motorized in late 43, half tracks and motorcycles with a side car. The halftracks had only machine guns, against T 34. They had to get their real guns from retreating anti aircraft units.
They mounted on 3 8.8, the long barrel, 2500 to 3000 Meters good enough to take a 34 out. My fathers favored was the quad, anti aircraft gun.
They had 4 halftracks with them, the guns were requisited from German anti aircraft units, a loan, so to speak.
Rather good against human wave attacks.
All silently tolerated, even that it was illegal, by his division commander. They had to get their ammo at gun point !
They mounted those guns on those vehicles them selves, used the talents in the unit. No engineering at all
The 3rd Reich failed, luckily, because it completely underestimated the resource needed to fight a modern war.

 

I salute your Father, and I do believe that what he told you is completely true! I would very much like to read more of your accounts of his stories to you, and share commentary on them. In the meantime, I highly recommend two books to you written by the man who was in command of the Wehrmacht drive toward Moscow -- General Heinz Guderian, "Panzer Leader", and "Achtung -- Panzer!".

. He stood on the hills above Moscow and could hear the bells ringing in the city.

 

Back to the OP. So a man is democratically elected and has to resign because those who elected him a "far-right"? Merkel is firing deputies from the region and they are calling for new elections. Typical NWO tactics like with the EU. If you dont like the election results have new elections.

@Sobo is from this region. What are the people saying?

 

Thuringa is right in the heart of Germany. I think if I were a resident of either Thuringa or Saxony, I would tell Merkel to stop kissing 'die Linke's' ASS, and tell the deliriously liberal "gut-menschen" to go FOCK THEMSELVES. Ultimately, either you have a Democratic Republic, or you DON'T!

Back to the Future...?

 

It looks like Sobo was banned. Any idea what he did?

 

You always bring up Die Linke in connection with Merkel, why that ?

 

I have read both books, in German.

 

Especially when far righties call jews who voted for obama fake jews or self hating jews.

 

So much cluelessness. The whole thing is a lot more complicated than "far-right ...NWO ...left...blah" and for some reason I'm under the impression that there is no sense in trying to explain all the details to people who are only interested in keeping their absurd black-n-white narratives alive.
Mr Kemmerich was democratically elected by the members of the state parliament in Thuringia (a state with a population of a little less than 2,2 mil. people), not by the voters. He became prime minister for a day thanks to political power games.
It was a very weird thing to field him as a candidate, because, normally, parties only do that when there is a realistic chance for their candidate to win. After the second ballot in parliament, the FDP nominated him and he clearly knew he would only win when going to bed with the AFD.
The FDP has always been a small party gaining 5% - 10% of the votes and often less. Kemmerich didn't resign because Merkel told him, (she doesn't have the authority), he came under massive pressure from his own party, and weeks ago he himself said, prior to this election, he would not work together with the AFD in any way.
His party, the FDP, have five seats out of ninety and are the smallest party in parliament in Thuringia atm, so it was impossible for him to be elected prime minister without massive support from members of other parties. These were largely members of the CDU and the AFD, which is a far-right party (without inverted commas). In pretence, the AFD fielded their own candidate, Mr Kindervater, during the first and second ballot despite him having no chance of winning. It was a calculated maneuver from the start.
The CDU acted really dumb here and seemingly didn't realize what the AFD was up to. The latter wanted to act as what's called Königsmacher (kingmaker) and wanted to present themselves as a party of the political center. Plus, it would have been a real political boost for them knowing that they "made" the new prime minister. Kemmerich would have been a very weak prime minister by the grace of the AFD and wouldn't have been able to govern Thuringia, because it would have been impossible for him to organize majorities in parliament. Maybe these five percent of background info can shed some light on this thing.

 

Representatives who are democratically elected by the people act on their constituents behalf. It is called a Republic. Coalition governments must be formed to gain majorities. I don't see the problem. Because they are anti-immigration they are Nazis and cannot have any influence on the building of governments? Ignoring the problem is why Brexit happened. Tread lightly.

 

I didn't say they (the AFD) are Nazis because they are anti-immigration. A statement like that looks at one percent of the tip of the iceberg and is extremely simplified and simplifying, besides, every political party has the right to form a coalition, or at least negotiate, with whom they desire (or not) and if the FDP, in the end, decided their candidate shouldn't be supported by the AFD, it's their decision. Plus, there are minority governments that work, in Kemmerich's case it clearly wouldn't have.

 

I often confuse or deliberately "mash-up" the Left-wing political parties of Germany, rightly and wrongly. I know there are some differences between the SPD and the actual "Left" Party, but not all that much, really. The SPD is a dodgy coalition partner with Merkel's CDU, as you know, but it seems to this American that German politics is somewhat like American politics in that in Germany, the Left and the Right are growing farther and farther apart every day.

Although I don't care what a LOT of what Merkel did to your country starting about five years ago, it appears now that her CDU leadership is falling apart, and now AKK is departing the scene.

But, it would be GREAT if Friedrich Merz could rise to take control of the CDU now -- his leadership could save the CDU and keep Germany from sliding into a big, confused mess that it is headed toward right now. Oh, by the way... I do love Germany, the home of my ancestors! Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Merz

. "OK... let's save Germany!"

 

There is a problem in Germany. The center ( CDU and FDP ) declared that they will not work with the far left, Linke, and not with the far right AfD.
That's why the minority government of Linke/SPD/Gruene could not get a majority vote.

I have no idea what they were thinking, to have that guy from the FDP to candidate.
The
AfD used it to ambush the Federal Government.

 

The problem is, you have this overpowering person, Merkel and she has made the mistake not, to built up her successor. The next Merkel.
Merz ain't going to cut it.

 

My father served under him. I read my fathers books and they were full of angry hand written remarks, how he failed his soldiers, supplying them, from food to ammo to adequate winter uniforms and equipment. He rode them hard for his own glory.
Rittmeister, close combat badge in gold, 53 days, one of 631, German Purple Heart in Gold, 11 times, Spiegelei in Gold, Iron Cross, 2 second and first class, tank badge, 5.
Just of my head.
He stood on the back of his soldiers hearing the bells of Moscow. My father would have court marshaled and than shot the bastard himself, given a chance.

 

The socialist government in Germany thinks free speech is a far right wing policy....

 

The government in Germany isn't socialist and the local election in Thuringia has nothing to do with free speech. Why don't these completely ignorant fools simply inform themselves before showing others how little they know. Every time you think it can't get dumber and more clueless, along comes a conservative yank and proves you wrong.