Trump to Propose $4.8 Trillion Budget With Big Safety-Net Cuts

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    Trump's budget reflects what he wants. Nothing more and nothing less. He is powerless to reduce spending without help from the Democrats who refuse to do so. Instead of ignoring reality he accepts the budget deficits in order to get what he wants. But of course the Legislature has the final say. Trump could shut down the government but Republicans always are blamed for this.

    The Ryan/Price plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare was sound. It consisted of three parts - all that could be achieved via reconciliation with majorities in both the House and Senate, all that could be achieved via regulation by Price who was then the Secretary of HHS, and legislation which would have been difficult but doable. The morons in the Freedom Caucus and their counterparts in the Senate killed this plan because they made their idea of perfection the enemy of the good. Trump has managed to take out the individual mandate and allow the ObamaCare policies to include reduced mandated coverages making them cheaper. All ObamaCare did was to expand Medicaid which has done more harm than good.

    Trump is a pragmatist. He is interested in getting things done to grow the economy and help US citizens. He is not interested in charging windmills.
     
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    You've done enough guessing about people you don't know.
     
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    His budget includes a 5% cut in domestic spending which has zero chance of even getting considered by the democrats. This does ignore the political reality and he isn't going to get what he wants. Trump's budget does ignore reality and is more of a political statement for his 2020 campaign. Yet he chose to leave out deficit reductions. And more importantly he has barely made a peep about deficit reductions in his rallies or on twitter.

    I was actually talking about the votes to repeal Obamacare while Obama was president. And most of these votes took place when the Republicans only controlled the house. They made numerous symbolic votes about Obamacare then, but they won't even talk about the deficit now.

    If Republicans and Trump made deficit reduction a campaign issue, made some symbolic senate votes, and made wish-list budget proposals, they might have a chance of drumming up some political support to do this in the future. But they don't even try.

    The reason they don't try. Because they don't care. Trump and the Republicans care more about maintaining 2.5% economic growth, even if its being propped up by trillion dollar deficits. Deficits act as a short-term economic stimulus, and the economy is Trump's best argument for getting re-elected. That is why he doesn't care.
     
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    How naïve. It's a budget the Orange Oaf knows Democrats will reject and he can get gullible Trumpers to ignore the $1t deficit he's running.
    No, it wasn't. It did away with the guarantee against being discriminated against for having preexisting conditions.
    Trump is a crook.
     
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    Domestic spending will be reduced due to record employment and welfare reform. And those two realities are the result of Trump’s policies.

    Trump is not interested in charging windmills. The only way meaningful spending cuts can be made is for Republicans to win back the House and get 60 votes in the Senate. And that assumes that all Republicans will support his policies. And that assumption, as we have seen with ObamaCare, is not guaranteed.
     
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    Me: "How about Fatso retaliating against a decorated soldier for telling the truth about his lying ass? How about Trump giving 85% of the tax cut to people making more than $400,000 per year after he promised he wouldn't when he was running for office? How about the Orange Oaf intervening in the sentencing of Weirdo Stone?"

    What did I say that isn't true?
    I didn't vote for the guy. Take it up with
    Take it up with a Democrat.
    Take it up with Democrats.
    A Trumper sensitive to lying pols. You must be spinning like a top.
     
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    Orange Man Bad. ^^^^
     
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    Fat Orange Man Bad. ^^^^^
     
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    Your guy.

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    You pal.

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    Right, but we already have record employment, and we now have trillion dollar deficits and record government spending. And welfare reform has zero chance of happening with the democrats in the house. Unfortunately this is our reality.

    Then why did Trump propose a 5% domestic spending cut, ending birthright citizenship, previously promised to eliminate the federal debt in 8 years (not just the deficit), ... I'll stop here, but I could go on. This stuff is either impossible or politically impossible. Trump and many other politicians have no problem championing unlikely causes, but conveniently enough the deficit isn't one of them. The deficit is one of the most serious challenges our nation is going to face, and you are fine with him not even talking about it because its too hard for him to even suggest fixing? He tweets more about the height of Mike Bloomberg than he does about the deficit.
     
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    Ok Mr internet rich guy.
    Go mail in a check if you wanna pay more
     
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    The spending cuts will happen due to his policies. Ending birthright citizenship will help that. When did he claim that the $23T federal debt will be brought to zero in 8 years ?? That's ridiculous. That would kill the economy. Even the Ryan Roadmap did not predict that. The federal debt would never be eliminated and it would take ~ 40 years IIRC to bring the debt down to ~ 10% of gdp. The biggest part of that is privatization of Medicare and Social Security.
     
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    Ah yes, from the vast LM cartoon hoard.
     
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    And more from the hoard.
     
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    Yep, glad you have admitted that Trump says ridiculous things and has no clue about economics:
    Donald Trump: “We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.”

    Bob Woodward: “How long would that take?”

    Trump: “I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers…”

    Woodward: “What’s fairly quickly?”

    Trump: “Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
     
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    You are a Democrat. You might not think you are but you are.
     
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    That was in March of 2016 before he was even the Republican nominee. He subsequently walked it back in April and did not run for President making that claim.

    Your post is “Orange Mad Bad”.
     
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    LOL well to be exact it was 31st March and it took over three weeks for Trump to walk it back, no doubt after someone informed him that he is stupid to believe that the debt could be wiped out in 8 years. Defend Trump at all costs, hey, but I'm glad that you have admitted that Trump says ridiculous things and has no clue about economics:
     
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    Still at it?
    So, then, in the wonderful TrumperLand you and your pals forced on the rest of us, not collecting Social Security I was forced by law to pay into makes me a bad guy? I'm supposed to be taking every dollar I can get even though I don't need it? You're upset because I didn't leave enough on the table for you to get your mitts on?
     
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    How are you getting that budget for this year past a democratic house? And if Trump really cares about the deficit, why has he increased military spending by hundreds of billions of dollars? Military spending is the best thing democrats can compromise with republicans on and get real deficit reduction. In his budget he reduces domestic spending from 597 billion to 567 billion and increases military spending from 716 billion (which is already a huge increase from Obama) to 750 billion. He doesn't actually cut the deficit, he just moves money from domestic programs to the military and actually increases the overall deficit.

    Unfortunately the constitution very clearly protects birthright citizenship and not a single conservative supreme court justice wants to ignore the 14th amendment.

    "We're not a rich country. We're a debtor nation...We've got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt,"
    Trump, 2016

    And here is another Trump quote that related to his proposed domestic cuts:
    "I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,"
    Trump, 2015

    And here is one comment he made in response to the deficit when defending his budget:
    "Who the hell cares about the budget? We're going to have a country,"
    Trump, 2020
     
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    I may have worded it incorrectly.
    Looking at the NY drivers license application question #2 you obviously answered yes.
    https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv44.pdf
    Which meant you had a doctor sign off at the Medical Review Unit.
    https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/mv80u1.pdf
    From what I can gather that due to liability issues those diagnosed with schizophrenia are seldom given licenses; way too risky to other road users.
    https://www.nyacp.org/files/District Meetings/Compromised Driving Ability_final.pdf
    So you must have got lucky with the doctor, or you have never really been diagnosed with the ailments you listed.
     
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    Trump is working to get what he wants. He (and many others) have given up on reducing spending which the Democrats refuse to do. That is the “Triumph of Politics”.

    The Constitution clearly was intended to address citizenship of the slaves freed by the Civil War. Southern Democrats refused to honor laws created to grant citizenship so Republicans amended the Constitution.

    You can cherry pick any statements you want. So what ??
     
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    You live in a binary world of Trumper Republicans and Democrats?
    Uh huh. You know more about me than I do.

    Now, then, what did I say that isn't true?

    "How about Fatso retaliating against a decorated soldier for telling the truth about his lying ass? How about Trump giving 85% of the tax cut to people making more than $400,000 per year after he promised he wouldn't when he was running for office? How about the Orange Oaf intervening in the sentencing of Weirdo Stone?"​
     

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