Sanders Defends Castro's Socialist Cuba

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow! You can copy and paste someone's former title! :applause:

    Like I said, not relevant, since no one knows him. You can't have much influence if nobody knows who you are.
     
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    So did Sanders. You agree with him, you're just being conned in to believing he is your opponent on this point (regardless of whether he is on any others).
     
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    For people who can't read, yes.

    You mean you don't know who he is.
     
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    He sure did, all the way to the concentration camps.
     
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    I read the comments... your thread title, while accurately posted, is bull ****...

    I wonder who at Fox doesn't understand basic English??

    Oh... that many?

    I won't even say everything is bad in the United States right now.... does that make me a supporter of this regime?
     
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    You mean Batasta's Cuba where US corporations owned 70% of the land and most Cubans lived in abject poverty and terror of the US backed dictatorial regime? Batista's Cuba where the Mafia ran Havana and a criminal syndicate running drugs, prostitution and gambling as the major industries and United Fruit ran the countryside paying peasants chump change with no benefits medical or education?

    Where the Bureau of repression carried out widescale terror, torture and public executions on anyone who dared ask why the gringos were allowed to haul of the nations wealth?

    "The corruption of the Government, the brutality of the police, the government's indifference to the needs of the people for education, medical care, housing, for social justice and economic justice ... is an open invitation to revolution.[46]"

    ~Arthur Schlesinger

    Is this the glorious prosperous pre-revolution Cuba of which you speak??? What was your dad in the mafia?

    *boggle*
     
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    Everyone should read the book

    Socialism Sucks - Two Economist Drink Their Way Through The Unfree World
     
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    Once upon a time, one was able to say that their basic medical care system was great -- and I recall Obama praising it to the heavens -- but then a bit of investigation revealed that their M.D.s were essentially enslaved and lived in fear least they ever did anything wrong. Punishment under Marxism is no joke,
     
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    This Democratic congresswoman understood Sander's reprehensible comments, why can't you?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/democratic-reaction-bernie-sanders-cuba-comment/index.html

    Typical lib, comparing the US to Cuba. Unlike Cuba, we change leaders through free elections.
     
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    https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2019/02/09...m-a-political-social-and-economic-revolution/

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    Well, that was stupid. Pre-Castro, "Cuba ranked fifth in the hemisphere in per capita income, third in life expectancy, second in per capita ownership of automobiles and telephones, first in the number of television sets per inhabitant. The literacy rate, 76%, was the fourth highest in Latin America. Cuba ranked 11th in the world in the number of doctors per capita. Many private clinics and hospitals provided services for the poor. Cuba's income distribution compared favorably with that of other Latin American societies. A thriving middle class held the promise of prosperity and social mobility." PBS

    10% of the population of Cuba left, can you guess if that happened before or after Castro?

    Yes, see above.

    No, was yours?
     
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    Link? Those stats seem highly unlikely. May be true for the comprador elites who ruled Cuba under the Batista dictatorship but for the average Cuban - I think not. Remember the US military establishment and CIA thought that the average Cuban would miss rule by foreign backed dictatorship that they would rise up and welcome the exile counter-revolution at the BoP.

    Turns out not so much. Of course the exile community in Florida would beg to differ - but they would, wouldn't they?

    The 10 percent that left were mostly Batista cronies and profiteers from the American backed dictatorship. Not that Cuba now is the greatest system in the world but they have been living under sanctions and embargoes for almost 70 years - still have better health care outcomes than the US.
     
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    That's for sure. I've read about the conditions in Cuba's political prisons...:eek:
     
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    I wonder if Bernie has ever read about them or if his opinion is that you can't maintain a Communist hell hole dictatorship without crushing the testicles of a few hundred thousand dissidents?
     
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    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/comandante-pre-castro-cuba/

    There was certainly inequality, but that was true for the US also. Cuba has done nothing but decline since Castro, with brutal repression also. An authoritarian country is preferable to a totalitarian one like Cuba as it has a better chance to evolve into a democracy.

    Stupid JFK reneged on his promise to help the freedom fighters, and got us involved in Vietnam to make up for it.

    Is that like a deplorable? I hope Comrade Bernie uses that line when he campaigns in Miami. I once worked with a Cuban refuge lady who had been one of Castro's secretaries. Obviously you've never spoken to someone like that. One example of the tyranny was you would be sentenced to one year in prison for every US silver dollar found in your possession. Castro basically owned the entire nation, he was famous for wearing several Rolex watches at once that he had stolen.

    So why don't you go there for medical care, Southwest flies there.
     
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    Charming to find the Democratic frontrunner for president is the Walter Duranty of our times...:boo:
     
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    Ooooooo . . . very nice! It's been such a long time since I came across that reference I had to look him up.
     
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    It's 76 degrees here, I hope you are freezing!
     
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    The fact is, about 40% of the Democrat party are lazy, hate their lives, and are envious of others in their peer group.

    To them, everyone having nothing sounds like a great idea considering they have nothing already.
     
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    Here's my drawing of my prediction on the 2020 presidential match up

    IMG_20200224_172838.jpg
     
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    I read you link. As I said there were vast inequalities between city where a percentage ofpeople worked inside the dictatorship and earned a good living and the countryside where they were virtual slave labour under a brutal dictatorship.

    I am not sure how you can square the circle of calling all socialist states totalitarian and then calling Batista's Cuba a happy prosperous paradise beloved by it's people.

    Must be a right-wing thing.

    Kennedy never made a promise. The CIA had cooked up the crazy plan before he took office when he saw it he reluctantly went along as long as they made sure American involvement was not discovered. The CIA tried to trap him into making further American airstrikes and even an invasion with a flawed plan which would have never worked and which Kennedy rightly avoided and then tried to break up the CIA for it's incompetence.

    I know Cuban exiles in Florida have not forgiven Kennedy to this day though.

    I live in Canada. We already have universal healthcare coverage for all and in BC we don't even pay premiums - the government covers it and we have the strongest economy in the country (despite a carbon tax for ten years). And we have not fallen into totalitarian dictatorship or become Venezuela.
     
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    Yes - the right leader hasn't been found yet. In all the other cases guys like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, took over and corrupted the inherent goodness of socialism. Anyone see a pattern here ?? :buggered: Could it be that the only way socialism can work is if a very strong leader is found? What could go wrong?

    Also occasionally the progressive left wishes for the ability to enact change like Xi Jinping has. Of course the leaders listed above had the same power. Again what could go wrong.

    Paul, Rand. The Case Against Socialism (Kindle Locations 1886-1918, Broadside e-books. Kindle Edition.
     
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