The Berniephobes are wrong

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    No where near the number of Americans who get their prescription drugs from Canada,
     
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    How about every-other free nation that has universal healthcare. Are they all commies too ?
     
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    Where is the poll ?
     
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    So Canada, UK, Germany, France, Australia etc.... confiscates property from their citizens ? . It’s strange. The countries that do confiscate property from their people, are weak on healthcare. Like the US to build Trump's absolutely stupid wall.
     
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  5. a better world

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    Incredible, just shows how poorly the earth's resources are distributed (with 10 people having as much wealth as the bottom 3.5 billion)

    And for many people in the 3rd world, $34,000 would feel like being a millionaire.

    Meanwhile the bottom 20% of people in the US have negative wealth ie are in debt to $6000 on average.

    In any case, no-one here is talking about equal wealth.
    The US could easily implement universal above poverty employment with a financially secure middle class, while rich Amecans would still be very rich.
     
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    Not in healthcare we aren’t. We pay more and die earlier. We are among the fattest and least healthy of any group in the free world. We take terrible care of our poor and only Medicare has save our elderly from dieting earlier in much worse suffering then used to be.
    We’re number one.......in obesity.
    “1: The United States is the most obese country in the world with 34% of the adult population classified as obese, according to the latest OECD survey. REUTERS/Lucas Jackson”
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Bernie? Is this you, darlin?

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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The United States is exceptional. We don't need or want a Nanny State.
     
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    So you think rewarding slothfullness by rewarding low acheivers and stealing from the producers will make us less fat? Ha! I have a video from my hometown on a Saturday afternoon from the 1930's. All the farmers were in town with their families. Factory workers had the day off. You see literally hundreds of individuals in the film and not a fat person among them. We had far less Socialism and entitlements then than what we have now. Perhaps we need to get these Socialist couch potatoes off their butts and put them to work like the '30's!!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure the DNC can cook one up for you.
     
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    IOW, you have no idea.
    They went to quantitative easing because the government was unwilling to run large deficits.
    The Fed executes government policy to keep inflation under control. They don't just do as they please.
    You have no clue. How do you think we financed WW2? Budget deficits.
    If the programs are needed, they should be done, anyway. If they aren't needed, they shouldn't be done at all.
    And if the resources would be better spent on something else?
     
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    Yeah, they're so far left the median family income in Canada passed the median income in this country in 2015.
     
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    You should confine yourself to matters you know something about.
     
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    Must be why you have no link and their dollar is stronger than ours....not!
     
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    You really don't get what's going on in this country, do you?

    Joe and Jane American have gotten pissed off about not getting much of s raise for 41 years... just 7.5%. They voted for Obama in 2008 to get health care and Trump is 2016 to get a decent job.

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    You've lost me on this one; I claimed mainstream economists running the Fed and treasury don't have a clue, and you keep saying I don't know who they are.

    Exactly.....because the government took advice from so-called experts (ie mainstream fools like Summers, see below).

    The Fed controls monetary policy (sets interest rates) at arms length to the government; and since the GFC the Fed has been trying to LIFT inflation....(and failing)….

    Budget deficits, plus higher taxes, to fund the increased spending required to win the war:

    "To a degree that will surprise many, the US funded its World War II effort largely by raising taxes and tapping into Americans' personal savings. ... During the War, Americans purchased approximately $186 billion worth of war bonds, accounting for nearly three quarters of total federal spending from 1941-1945". Sep 7, 2010

    But the mainstream still think deficits are bad, or really just don't know...

    https://www.crfb.org/blogs/translating-dr-summers’-econospeak-are-budget-deficits-good-or-bad

    Translating Dr. Summers’ Econospeak: Are Budget Deficits Good or Bad?
    (in 2010):
    For example, one prominent commentator takes away from Dr. Summers’ remarks that he dismisses our serious economic problems (massive unemployment, huge fiscal imbalances, and the EU sovereign debt crisis) because they reflect just an economic “fluctuation”.

    Yet another interpretation is possible - after the ninth or tenth read of his speech. Namely, that Dr. Summers is worried (in fact very worried indeed) about the strength of the recovery; that he thinks additional stimulus is needed (he never used the “s” word, though); and that his worries have very immediate implications for the extenders package now under consideration in Congress.

    Proving my contention: Summers didn't and still doesn't, have a clue about deficits/fiscal stimulus.

    And here is Professor John Harvey's 2019 refutation of main-streamers Summers, Krugman, and Rogoff, these latter two mainstreamers who also don't have a clue.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2019/03/05/mmt-sense-or-nonsense/#13725b395852

    Of course.

    The first priority is guaranteed real full employment, supplemented by the JG buffer pool program, if necessary.

    After that, the community chooses how its available resources are best utilised.

    eg, if man-made climate change really is an emergency, as stated by the UN IPCC, then the choice is clear: full forward with the GND.
     
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    Hmmm. In Capitalism, men reach for their wallets; in Socialism, men reach for their guns.
     
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    Better a poodle than a rabid pit bull or a parasitical flea. Poodles are well loved and cared for by rich for the beauty and companionship they provide.
     
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    Their plans always result in thinner citizens.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
     
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    A tribalist. True collectivist believer. And no individual’s rights are so scared they can’t be sacrificed for the common good.
     
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    That is where you identify with Karl Marx and I identify with Thomas Jefferson.
     
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    So let’s do away with the corporate nanny state. Let’s start with the 400 billion we’ve spent propping up the oil companies. The farm subsidies keeping them afloat and the biggest corporations who pay little to nothing in taxes. How about the way the senate treats Trump with kid gloves.......like 53 little nanny’s. The right has their socialism. It’s called corporate socialism.
     
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    In no small way, due to their universal healthcare which allows industry to pay higher wages. Universal healthcare in Canada has taken a lot of jobs north.....

    some of the vehicles made in Canada.

    Chrysler Canada Inc. Brampton, Ontario Chrysler 300, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger
    Windsor, Ontario Dodge Grand Caravan, Chrysler Pacifica, Pacifica Plug-in Hybrid
    Ford of Canada Ltd. Oakville, Ontario Ford Edge, Flex, Ford GT* (limited-edition), Lincoln MKT,
    MKX
    General Motors of Canada Ltd. Oshawa, Ontario Chevrolet Impala, Cadillac XTS, Silverado, Sierra
    Ingersoll, Ontario Chevrolet Equinox
    Honda Canada Inc. Alliston, Ontario Honda Civic
    Alliston, Ontario Honda CR-V
    Toyota Canada Cambridge North, Ontario Toyota Corolla
    Cambridge South, Ontario Lexus RX350, Lexus RX450h Hybrid
    Woodstock, Ontario Toyota RAV4
     
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    We already have a nanny state, for corporations. It's called fascism.
     
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    I know a lot of people who tout rugged individualism and how important it is to stand on their own. I have only one response to those who say this to me. “ if you’re such a rugged individual and don’t need anyone else, why don’t you just go fk yourself.”
     

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