Bernie Sanders' Lake House

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  1. Surfer Joe

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    I hope voters don't fall for the deplorable character assassination that trump and his worshippers will trot out against Bernie. It would be exciting to see an actual activist as potus. With a good running mate- I propose Warren- he could shake things up in a positive way.
     
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    Alas, Trump will be your President until 2024. Doubt Bernie will live past it. Are you voting for the free cheese or "power to the people"?
     
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  3. JCS

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    He was a starving intern during some time if I recall correctly, and even had to borrow electricity from a neighbor using a long electric cord at one time. Very dedicated & involved in politics/activism from day one.
     
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    I never did that, because I had a job to pay my own bills.
     
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    I'm afraid they will fall for the raving insults that will come from Trump & his herd of lemmings. Even the DNC has betrayed Bernie.

    But yes...it would be awesome for Bernie + Warren as running mate to run. If they win (which is very unlikely due to election rigging & a LOT of threatened oligarchs) it would be a good start towards a complete dismantling of the corporate/military albatross around this nation's neck.
     
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    You might if your electricity got cut off.
     
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    So a communist and a fake indian? Yeah...no thanks, KAG TRUMP 2020!!!
     
  8. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    It never has, it's a perk of having a job and paying your own way in life.
     
  9. JCS

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    But a failed businessman, hustler, con man, sexual assaulting, pathological liar, dictator wannabe is OK with you?

    Bernie's not a communist or socialist anyway. Socialist democrat is just a label. What he wants is what pre-Reagan presidents already had going on before the Supreme Court and, later, Reagan destroyed it all. And Warren is second best of the bunch, so would make a suitable running mate.
     
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    Sorry, I started laughing so hard at "failed businessman" to address the rest of your post. Bet he had a job, before he was 40. If Bernie was not a millionaire, his SS check would really suck.
     
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    We don't know his circumstances at the time (and that was very long ago too & times were different)...but I'm quite certain he was a driven man committed strongly to political action & reform. Like a mad artist perhaps there was no room in his life (or mind) to wasting time engaged in anything other than his devotion to political activism...even if that meant living in temporary squalor.

    Certainly the fruits of his devotion to his passions has paid off. Look at his accomplishments!
     
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    Others manage to pay their own way and have a job, long before 40. Yes, seeking employment is a "waste of time". The guy has always been a loser and made a career of appealing to others of his ilk.
     
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    Trump's "empire" grew on taxpayer funded government subsidies, tax breaks (and tax fraud), & govt-backed loans. Once long before being elected, he even remarked how much "richer" a homeless man that he saw on the street was compared to him, when at the time he was over $1 billion in debt.

    How much money did Trump inherit from daddy?
    How many businesses has Trump bankrupted?
    How many Trump business ventures failed?
    How much debt is Trump in?
    How much money did Trump borrow from banks, but lost within a span of less than a decade?
    How many times has Trump been sued?
    How many times has he been fined for business fraud? What about charity fraud?
    How many times has Trump stiffed his workers & contractors?
    How many illegals has Trump hired (and also not paid)?
    How many counts of conflicts of interest has Trump committed while in Office?
    How much have taxpayers had to foot to pay for Trump's golf outings thus far?
    etc...

    Did you have a point to make here?
     
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    Bernie a "loser"? LOL So a loser to you is someone who once was poor, but has now accomplished so much for the American people?

    Bernie held no job before 40?

    A simple google search reveals Bernie's bio. He had several different kinds of jobs after leaving college & prior to becoming mayor ---- eg, an aide at a psychiatric hospital, a freelance writer, a preschool teacher and a carpenter. He had these odd jobs while he ran for office a few times before winning, so it's likely they were full- to part-time (as he had to campaign & pay for his campaign) before he began to receive a steady, full-time paycheck as mayor at age 39.

    He also established the American People’s Historical Society in 1978 to produce educational film strips about the history of Vermont. The organization was non-profit, which shows Bernie's interest was not in money, but in educating & providing valuable resources to the people.

    He explained: "It is our belief that state and regional history has too long been neglected by the audio-visual industry, and we are happy to begin the process of rectifying that situation. We believe that students have the right to learn about the state and region in which they are living."

    From sources:
    Sanders rented a small brick duplex at 295 1/2 Maple Street that was filled with not much furniture and not much food in the fridge but stacks of checked-out library books and scribbled-on legal pads.
    “Pretty sparse,” Gene Bergman, an old friend, said about the apartment.
    “Stark and dark,” said Darcy Troville, a fellow Liberty Unionite who lived around the corner and shared with Sanders homemade jellies and jams.
    “The electricity was turned off a lot,” Barnett said. “I remember him running an extension cord down to the basement. He couldn’t pay his bills.”

    But have you asked yourself...

    Did Trump ever hold a real job his entire life? Nope. He inherited $400 million from his dad, blew much of it, and then conned his way on debt, govt. handouts, tax breaks, fraud, and by screwing workers & contractors from then on. Trump even escaped military service by faking bone spurs.

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    A point here to be made that you've also overlooked about Bernie. Bernie was poor, but he wasn't sponging off the welfare system. He was dedicated to politics and that was his passion because of the changes he felt he could enact through holding a political office. So why you denigrate Bernie for being poor while not living on state handouts is puzzling. Bernie was willing to live meagerly because his sites were on a higher goal...not on money.

    By contrast, why don't you google how Trump has grown his "business empire" at taxpayer expense through con jobs & fraud. Here's a few to start you off.

    Where Did America’s Biggest Loser Get All That Cash?
    Year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual taxpayer, according to the I.R.S. information on high earners — a publicly available database with taxpayers’ identifying details removed. Indeed, in 1990 and 1991, his core businesses lost more than $250 million each year — more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the sampling for those years.
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/05/08/where-did-americas-biggest-loser-get-all-that-cash/

    Trump Isn't a Self-Made Man. His Wealth Is the Product of Years of Government Subsidies
    The family real-estate business was powered by subsidies and cheap government-backed loans.

    https://reason.com/2018/10/08/trump-finances-subsidies-tax-fraud/

    A Trump Empire Built on Inside Connections and $885 Million in Tax Breaks
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/nyregion/donald-trump-tax-breaks-real-estate.html

    Trump’s Riches and the Real-Estate Tax Racket
    The industry where you really can make billions and pay no taxes.
    He's a repeat offender. As a USA Today investigation found, Trump’s companies have been involved in more than 100 lawsuits or other battles over unpaid taxes or how much he owes.
    https://prospect.org/power/trump-s-riches-real-estate-tax-racket/

    Gangster government: Why Trump prefers subsidies and taxes to free enterprise
    President Trump has never been one for free enterprise. His way of being pro-business involves subsidies, handouts, and taxes (he calls them tariffs) — that is, Big Government. And his latest threat to General Motors shows why: Big Government industrial policy gives Trump more power.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...refers-subsidies-and-taxes-to-free-enterprise

    Trump Insists He Lost $1 Billion on Purpose (LOL)
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/donald-trump-new-york-times-losses
     
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    Excellent questions and I will do my best to respond to them as someone who has had the benefit of living elsewhere where our current lifestyle is not the norm.

    Part of the problem is that we no longer live in the real world. Instead we live in a bubble of HVAC that is in our homes, vehicles, places of employment, malls, supermarkets, restaurants, gyms, stadiums and movie houses. Unless you are someone who actually engages in outdoor activities you can spend your entire life inside the bubble. Way too many of us will use a drive up window rather than parking and walking inside to obtain what we need.

    Yes, all of the above is provided by corporations and yes, we are willing consumers of that bubble lifestyle. The next question is WHY have we abandoned what was normal and real for this artificial bubble instead?

    If you go overseas you will see the same gas guzzling SUV's on the road but they are the exceptions. The majority of vehicles are small hatchbacks that still do the same job of getting from A to B but using a fraction of the fuel. The difference is the cost of fuel because there are no subsidies to the fossil fuel cartel and importing fuel has a negative impact on the balance of payments for those nations.

    Corporations would love to sell those gas guzzlers overseas in the same quantities but are stymied because of the fuel cost. If we want to end the use of gas guzzlers here in the states we need to start charging the TRUE COST of using those fossil fuels. That INCLUDES the harm they do to the environment and we need to eliminate the government subsidies entirely. Within a generation or two those gas guzzlers will become the exception.

    Your next point was about the issue of Instant Gratification which is again an American concept. People overseas don't mind waiting a week or two for the arrival of whatever they bought online. Speaking of which shopping online is just not as prevalent overseas as it is here. Shopping malls here are effectively dying off for lack of foot traffic while they are still thriving overseas. If you want Instant Gratification overseas you need to leave your house and go to the mall. Since the odds are your house does NOT have HVAC and the mall does that might have something to do with it.

    But let's take this in a slightly different direction. Does Instant Gratification make us happier? Or is it just a ploy by corporations to make us keep on buying the next mindless gadget that they "promise" we cannot live without if we want to be "happy"? Compare the World Happiness Report and see where we rank in comparison to the other Social Democracies.

    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-happiest-countries-united-nations-2019/index.html

    From the above it becomes apparent that we are addicted to our bubble lifestyle and it is not bringing us the happiness that we are promised by corporations.

    The REALITY is that we are being DUPED into believing that we are the "best" when we are not. It suits the corporations to keep us "fat and unhappy" because they are the ones who are both feeding our addiction to their products and playing with our emotions.

    In summary we have allowed corporations to take over every aspect of our lives for the benefit of their bottom line profits. These corporations were enabled to do this because they purchased our politicians and made sure that they deregulated everything that stood in their way. The corporations and their politicians connived to dupe us into believing that what was best for corporations was also what was best for us.

    So yes, you are right that it is our responsibility to not allow them to dupe us and to take back control over our own lives.

    Those other Social Democracies do NOT allow corporations to exploit their citizens and the environment. They keep corporations on a short leash of REGULATIONS. The difference is stark when you compare the happiness levels of WELL REGULATED Social Democracies to our own DEREGULATED corporate dystopia.

    As I mentioned in my prior post it was the Government OF the People and BY the People that implemented the REGULATIONS that improved the the lives OF the People whenever corporate EXPLOITATION became egregious.

    We have reached that point again and we need to follow the excellent example of how to do it as provided by those other Social Democracies. Bernie and the Progressives are the ones who intend to put us back on the path to genuine Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    Millions of our fellow Americans understand that we MUST change and We the People have the power to make this change for the benefit of all of us. You have succinctly identified the problem as being ourselves and it is only ourselves who can solve our current dilemma.
     
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    Zero links, not surprised. Some maybe true but I'm not impressed.
     
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    I wont go pasts this first claim. Until you prove it.
     
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    Saying Trump inherited 400 million, discredits you @JCS
     
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    When the company moved me to Ashburn, VA, a 100 mile one way trip to work I looked at prices in that area. A couple years ago I found some run down shacks for around this price, but you can see why I did not move. $304k for 2 bd, 2 ba, 1000 sq ft townhouse. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/43587-Patching-Pond-Sq-Ashburn-VA-20147/68473134_zpid/ I know this is a bargain in some areas.
     
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    For instance? 25 years in office and only sponsored 3 bills that became law and two of those were to name Post Office buildings. Nearly everything he has accomplished was to enrich himself and his wife.
     
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    Why are you IGNORING everything he accomplished when he was in the HOUSE?
     
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    Like what?
     
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