Medicare for all???

I'm sorry you're not able to understand math, or the power of percentages.

 

Then don't use any public services. This includes water, trash, electricity, streets, and just about anything that is provided through our tax dollars. In fact, going off grid makes it much easier to even avoid paying taxes. If you're willing to do that, then go for it, but don't expect society to help you, even though those and many other services are standing by.

 

yes, we do pay a lot of taxes, and society should benefit from the taxes we pay

how did we benefit from the republicans two 10+ year wars?

medicare for all is something society benefits from... let's do it

 

You know very well percentages equate to you paying less. Why do you not want to pay the same price as me? Are you special?

 

I know this. They don't.
But that's why were so expensive now. End of life care that cant be cut off. Cutt it off and we don't need the gov to run anything

 

Just when I thought I've seen it all, you come up with this.

Incredible!

 

Understand, and they're dreaming.

Meantime .. end of life care is provided in the public system, but it doesn't involved dangerous interventions.

DNR's are still required, and all care taken to preserve life when the benefits outweigh the risks .. as per the oath 'do no harm'.

 

Hospitals won't give you life support forever.

A point will come when the hospital will move a patient, leaving you, your insurance company and your banker to hash out what comes next.

Its certainly true that Medicare serves the population that consumes more healthcare than others. But, I haven't seen analyses that suggest it is because people don't have their lives purposefully cut short by the hospital.

 

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A point will come when the hospital will move a patient, leaving you, your insurance company and your banker to hash out what comes next.

Its certainly true that Medicare serves the population that consumes more healthcare than others. But, I haven't seen analyses that suggest it is because people don't have their lives purposefully cut short by the hospital.[/QUOTE]
When you're 86 and have a big vegetation on your prosthetic mitral valve, you will absolutely get emergent valve replacement if you demand it. Not so much in single payer countries.

 

Why are you opposed to paying the same price as me? Do you think you're special and that your identical coverage should cost less than mine?
If you want help paying, ask your mom

 

Our voters would never stand for this.. they want full go on demand. Of course they're not being told the truth and are too stupid to see through it

 

How can we talk about Medicare for all when nearly half of the US doesn’t even care about their own health.

ABOUT 40% OF US ADULTS ARE OBESE, LEADING TO HEALTH CONCERNS, CDC SURVEY SHOWS
A new government study found the rate for severe obesity in adults has doubled over the past two decades.
Author: TEGNA, MIKE STOBBE Associated Press

In the last two decades, the obesity rate has risen from 30.5% to 42.4%. Meanwhile, the severe obesity rate has doubled over that same time frame, going from 4.7% in 1999-2000 to 9.2% in the latest data. The study found obesity overall among men and women was the lowest among Asian adults at 17.4%, but African American adults had the highest prevalence of obesity at 49.6%.

One obesity expert says the findings suggest that more Americans will get diabetes, heart disease and cancer. He also says it will be increasingly difficult for doctors to care for so many severely obese people.

A study from Harvard and George Washington universities released last December said nearly half of American adults will be obese by 2030 and one-quarter will be severely so.

 

Again. This simply isnt true. For example, if I am homeless, and I have cancer, I wont get free chemo. EMTALA doesnt work like this. And I imagine if you had your way, youd repeal EMTALA also.

 

Most humans WANT to work, they WANT to make a positive contribution to society.

 

If you are homeless, you qualify for Medicaid. Chemo treatments are absolutely covered by Medicaid.

 

So either comply with ANY mandate you suggest, or leave.

Again, how authoritarian of you.

In contrast, there are many countries around the world that will coddle you on the teet from birth until death if that is what you need. Why don't you just go there and be taken care of?

 

Bullshit liberal fantasy land.

Most people work because they want a positive contribution to their own needs.

Nobody gets out of bed every morning at 6 am and thinks "All Right! Today I get to make everybody in our nations lives a little bit better!"

That is absolute liberal utopian non-sense.

Want proof? Stop paying people to come to work and see how long they keep coming. They do it for themselves. Only the slugs of our society believe everybody works to support them. That isn't human nature.

 

???

What is the Medicare limit that you are concerned about?

I assume you're aware that valve replacement surgery on an 86 yo is not always a good idea. Are you saying there are Medicare limits that you think are too harsh?

 

Did I say there are Medicare limits?
86 year olds get valve replacements all the time

 

LOL! That is funny right there!

 

You hardly ever fully explain your points.

Yes, the elderly do get valve replacements. However, there certainly are cases where the doctor/hospital will strongly advise against such an operation. When the doctor says "no", I'm not sure what Medicare does.

Such operations can easily be terminal.

 

Medicare receives the bill after the procedures are performed

 

Sure. But, before that the hospital will check any slightly questionable charges to see how much Medicare or underlying personal insurance will cover.

Unless it's emergent, the hospital isn't just going to start cutting.

 

Seems as though they've become accustomed to something which isn't really 'medicine', if that makes sense.

 

LOL

Not only is this hilarious, it's also weird and prescriptive.

All you can do is understand the human animal, and go with that. And unfortunately for your Disneyesque theory, that nature is first and foremost OPPORTUNISTIC. Like all mammals wired for survival, we take the path of least resistance. Best to make peace with it, lest refusal to do so renders you intolerant.