Trump: It's Going to Be Fine and We're Cutting Entitlements

The free Obama care policy IS Medicaid

 

I didn’t suggest they were, but it is an entitlement and it’s not an investment

 

Do you know what the word 'alluded' means?

 

Correct! These are EARNED 'entitlement' benefits. As a working taxpayer, you (and your employer) are forced to pay into these government programs your entire working life -- or go to prison!

Medicare? It is a program that is specifically designed to apply to people who typically have more health-related issues, and it begins at retirement age -- a nominal 65 years old. To qualify, you must have already worked at least 40 quarters (10 years).

If any political schemer in any political party tries to cheat people out of benefits they have been forced to pay for all their lives, or to reduce them by after-the-fact scams like "means-testing", they're going to commit political SUICIDE! Two perfect examples of politicians who wrecked themselves by trying to screw people out of EARNED benefits are Republicans "Crusader Rick" Santorum, and, Chris "Buttertub" Christie.

Each of these oh-so clever men tried to take positions that we should screw retirees to save it for "the children and the grandchildren" (who haven't paid anything into any government system)... remember? Each of them was actually a serious contender for the Republican nomination for the presidency! Where are they now...?

 

In fairness, Trump wants to cut Social Security "DISABILITY" and greatly tighten eligibility requirements -- which badly needs to be done. All during the Obama regime, vast numbers of people would simply get some bleeding-heart, Democrat social worker to transition them to "Disability" as soon as their years-long unemployment benefits ran out. You know this... I know this... and huge numbers of these 'drones' are still sitting out there on their worthless asses, sucking it up!

He'd also plan to cut SNAP (food stamps), and Medicaid, and other giveaways. The SNAP program has probably been more abused and misused than any other, but Medicaid does serve a useful purpose. But, c'mon, Te -- we know each other better now than for either of us to think that a scare-tactic like "Trump's gonna cut your Social Security! " is gonna work.... You're smarter than that, and Donald Trump is smarter than that. We're ALL smarter than that, but liberal 'spinners' will go on spinning anyway....

 

Correct, you did not suggest that. And again, thank you for the technical corrections.

But it is a matter of semantics. Someone who was forced to pay into a system designed for those who paid in to that system absolutely should expect something in return, and that is one side of the "entitlement" spectrum. Someone who doesn't pay, yet feels they deserve, are owed, and are entitled to, other people's earnings is at the opposite side of entitlement programs.

There is a huge difference between the two sides.

 

I don't disagree...unfortuately, when you let the Govt run it, that's what you get. The needed reforms, and the ones that are often discussed are to the other end of the "opposite end"....

 

Cutting entitlements is the only way to get the budget under control. Cut! Cut! Cut!

Defense is just 16% of the budget. We can cut there, but that won’t help that much on the budget.

 

There's probably two million people who should have their social security disability taken away from them. 273,000 jobs report today and still the MSM is scaring people shetless.

You can't whip people to make them go to work, but you can make them go without enough so they decide to go to work.

 

Well, here I go again....

YES, we need to cut a LOT of spending, of all kinds -- but Trump (or any other politician) had damned-well better leave EARNED entitlements alone!

There's a lot in the defense budget that could easily be cut (I worked in that arena for many years). There's a lot of handout welfare that could, and SHOULD be cut.

But we should also bring in more taxes -- and that means totally overhauling the U. S. Tax Code to get rid of all (ALL) tax shelters, tax loopholes, exclusions, exemptions, deductions, and scams like "carried interest". I've harped on this a million times, but wealthy "Fat Cat" Republicans AND "Limoousine Liberal" Democrats will not (NOT) really make any reforming changes to the Tax Code. They like things just exactly as they ARE....

 

No it isn't.

 

Obama said to the states we'll back you up with the money for three years if you take this Medicaid expansion, so it's free for a limited time only, but after that you're on your own. Some states took the bait, some were wiser and didn't.

 

States do not participate in obozocare. That's why the neo-commie party tried to force states to expand their Medicaid in the original bill - to keep the costs of the federal program (obozocare) down as the states / feds share Medicaid costs. The state where I live - Florida - did not expand Medicaid, BUT low income peeps get free / cheap policies thru obozocare.

 

And Trump is already trying to walk this back. Too late. This is what talkin out yer ass gets you.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trum...ll-protect-your-social-security-and-medicare/

 

There’s no other free plan offered by the ACA.

 

No he isn't.....reform needs to be done to those programs in order to protect them,

 

Why do you keep conflating the two? They're NOT part of the same program. PERIOD. geez.

obozocare has no asset test where medicaid absolutely does. Both have income tests. there's no minimum amount for deductibles / out-of-pocket for obozocare policies. Trust me. I've helped people sign up.

 

The ACA expanded Medicaid. The exchange policies aren’t free.

 

n National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, the US Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the requirement that all Americans have affordable health insurance coverage. But in an unprecedented move, seven justices first declared the mandatory Medicaid eligibility expansion unconstitutional. Then five justices, led by Chief Justice John Roberts, prevented the outright elimination of the expansion by fashioning a remedy that simply limited the federal government's enforcement powers over its provisions and allowed states not to proceed with expanding Medicaid without losing all of their federal Medicaid funding.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22869643

Don't bother me anymore with your bullshit. Good grief ...

 

From the $4.407 trillion federal budget $1.19 trillion is discretionary and here is the breakdown.

 

Do you realize, up till now Trump has not given us (his voting base) a single reason to doubt his sincereness? Far as I'm concerned, he's doing his best to keep America great; is all I need to know to re-elect him

 

I will be the first to support a 100% cut in Social Security. All I want is my money back and no more deductions.

 

Would be really awesome to get back what I paid and what my employer paid on my behalf!

 

The average worker could own a second home by retirement age.

 

I found you ~14,000

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