Putin allowed to stay in power past 2024

I said nothing about a one world government. In fact I have no interest in one.

But I do have an interest in seeing the Russians ground down to nothing where all they have left are memories. And even those are gone in time.

 

Well, the amendments to the constitution in order to stay longer in power does not seem to look like democratic. Now it reminds me the time of Soviet Union, when the leaders of the communist party ruled until their death. I simply do not want this again, so I will vote against this ammendment to the constitution.

 

You know, that Tereshkova was in communist party and supported Brezhnev and other communist leaders. Seems like she supports anyone who is in power. No
respect for her.

 

Are you a Nazi? Those also wanted to have Russians down. Everyone knows what has happened finally to Nazis.

 

I have nothing but hatred and derision for the Nazis.

 

You said: "But I do have an interest in seeing the Russians ground down to nothing where all they have left are memories". Isn't that what the Nazis wanted?

 

It doesn't matter. What matters is do the Russian people want him to remain in office? Now how many years was Merkel in office, how many years was Netanyahu in office? So what difference other than the regime change freaks want Putin out, so that they can turn Russia back into the mess it was in the 90's?

 

Who gives a damn what the Nazis wanted? They're effectively gone and have been for decades. The few that remain are nothing but jokes.

 

Of course. Russia must be destroyed. A happy and relatively peaceful world requires it.

 

Well, Merkel has been for almost 15 years as a Bundeskanzlerine. Putin after finishing this term will be 14 years. If he is granted an option to be a president again, he will be in power for at least 20 years. Too much. I know that there are a lot of people who support him, but also know the people who are not happy at all about him.

 

The problem that leaders in regime's like Russia have is the same as the problem that leaders of the Mexican drug cartels have: so long as you are top dog, you are relatively secure. But unless you can pass on your power to a close relative, when you retire, you are in danger.

But ... so long as the Russian people see themselves threatened from the outside, scorned, derided ... they will agree with Machiavelli, that it is better to be feared than loved, if you have to choose, and they'll choose a scary leader.

Putin is an indirect creation of the Western banks, who moved into Russia in the 1990s, helped the ex-commissars loot the place, while our poltiical leaders openly intervened into their political process to get the drunkard Yeltsin into power. Now we're paying the price. Russia ought to be an ally -- we have no real conflicts of interest, and we have a mutual enemy in radical Islam.

Please have a read of this, 'How to Think about Vladimir Putin', by Christopher Caldwell:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/how-to-think-about-vladimir-putin/

 

What has Russia done to you? May I offer a guess? It's because they're Christians and worse, they're Orthodox Christians and refuse to bow to the liberalism and inhumanity of the new world order. If I'm wrong, then tell why you have such an animosity towards Russia?

 

"Nazi".....really??? That what you vatniks always retort with when someone disagrees with your "vision".

I also want to see the Asiatic Russkis ground down.....I was trained to target them in the Army.....but doesn't make one a "Nazi".

It's an overworked cliche by the Russki.

 

You're wrong. I'm a history teacher and I know just how soaked in blood Russian history is. It dwarfs that of almost all other western nations.

 

Nazis = Supremacists = Nationalists. Anyone who believes themselves and their ethnicity, race or what not, as being superior and above others is a supremacist, and therefore a Nazi.

 

Moving the goalposts I see.

 

Russia dwarfs others in blood only because it was taken over by an evil ideology. Most of the Bolshevik criminals who overthrew the Tsarist government and soaked Russia in blood, were not Russian. They were the ones who threw the millions in gulags, and burned them in churches.

Vladimir Putin to secure that it will never happen again, nor will the 90's when foreign bankers were loaning money to criminals to buy up Russia's resources while the people starved, Putin made sure that the affinity of those who hold office in Russia will only be towards Russia and the Russian people.

 

Pre Bolshevik Russia was far, far, far from a time of wine and roses

 

Ohhh....yes....like what's happening in occupied territories like Crimea, DPR, South Ossetia......locals being kidnapped tortured and gone missing??

 

It was a time of terrorists blowing up on an average 500 dignitaries a year. That's the equivalent of 2000 Governors, Senators, Mayors, Police chiefs being killed every year in the US. Russia's problem as I see it, was Poland. They should have let Poland go, that way the covetous ideologues, wouldn't have been able to enter Russia and spread their lies.

To understand what was going on, Tsar Alexander III saw his father die from a suicide bomber. He also saved his family by holding up the train roof with his super human strength.

With Tsar Nicholas II, Russia had the fastest growing economy in the world. The only institutions of the Soviet Union that survived, were the ones he established. Nicholas also had the plans ready to distribute his estates to the peasants, but couldn't do so because the war broke out.

To create mayhem during the war so they could take over, Lenin spread rumors that the Tsar was going to distribute the lands of the nobility and not his own. The Bolsheviks also lied, and told the peasants they would give them land. Instead stole everything they could lay their hands on and threw Russia's economy back 20 years. It didn't recover until WWII.

Never judge a tree by its stature,
nor the power and the name it wears.

Nor should it ever be judged,
by the lofty words one hears.

A person's judgement should only come,
from the merits of the fruit it bears.
(My version) Jeannette​

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Nazis didn't want the Russians down, they wanted to prevent the Russian Communists from taking over Europe!

 

No please, this ex-Stasi spy master, the one who murders journalists,
said he would FULLY COOPERATE with the investigation. There is
NO SIGN OF THE FOUR ACCUSED RUSSIANS OF APPEARING
BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
Let's just take this first step - allow people to testify.
(and return the missile evidence from the "clean up" of the debris)

 

We Americans are so lucky.

Our nation was founded by people fleeing religious persecution, and even though some of them were persecutors themselves, we avoided the terrible burden of an official state church.

Our Founders came from, or drew inspiration from, a nation that managed to have its bloody civil war and curb its monarchy, before the Age of Ideology. So they were grounded in pragmatic liberty. The best possible start.

And ... what an ideal place to start a new country! A huge, rich continent, there for the taking, with only a few primitive tribes to be exterminated or driven into reservations. And no natural enemies! Two giant oceans to protect it, a benign, weaker neighbor to the North, and an even weaker neighbor to the South, who could be robbed of its territory with little effort.

We've had it so easy. The one exception: our terrible civil war, the price we paid for importing the African custom of slavery.

So we've evolved a tolerant liberal democracy: okay, a close look at American history reveals a lot of nasty spots -- violent labor conflicts, lynchings, racial discrimination -- but, compared to everyone else, we've gotten off light.

Not so the Russians. Conquered from the East, the population held in semi-slavery (serfdom) until the middle of the 19th Century, invaded THREE times from the West in two centuries -- two of those invasions in the 20th Century, by the fearsome Germans ..... it's not been a laboratory for the cultivation of tolerance, liberal sentiments, trust in the government. Not to mention Communism! (Oh yes ... should I mention that the USA sent an invasion force in 1918 as well? We sure did.)

And yet ... it's a great culture. Masters of the novel, at the forefront of advances in physics, chemistry and mathematics, great artists and composers ... despite the backwardness of the population, their intelligentsia is a match for anyone's.

And ... THEY BEAT THE NAZIS!!! For every American who died fighting fascism, 100 --- repeat 100 -- Russians died. Never forget that. The Wehrmacht never had less than 75% of its forces on the Eastern Front, sometimes as much as 90%. That was where the real war was.

For many years, if you visited Russia, you would see, sitting at the entrance to their subway stations, old women, holding photographs. These were the photographs of their sons, their brothers, their husbands ... who had disappeared while fighting the Nazis .... these women were hoping that someone would see the photo and recognize it and tell the woman holding it the fate of her loved one.

America has been so lucky.

Now the luck is running out. The Chinese are moving up, and we're moving down. The Left has been eating away at the cultural sinews of our country, and is preparing to open up the racial fracture lines. All the smug superior sneering at other nations is soon going to vanish.

We'd better stop patting ourselves on the back. We're going to have our hands full with out own internal troubles, and we don't need any more enemies. The real enemy is at home.

Let the Russian people work out their own destiny. They're smart, they have a long democratic/ethical tradition, they actually have a lot in common with Americans. I've lived there and have Russian friends, and many of them are warm and friendly people, with a good sense of humor, perfectly aware of the shortcomings of their current system. But they're nobody's fools, and they don't believe for one second that our big banks and corporations and defense contractors mean them well. (They don't mean us well, either.)

Liberty-lovers in America can learn something from the Russians, lessons we may need in the not-too-distant future. I recommend downloading (it's free) and reading Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/index.htm It's brilliantly written (translation by Max Eastman), and you learn a lot about the intersection of political and military issues, something which is going to be relevant in our own country before too long.

 

But you make the same statements as they did...

 

Of course, a person that wants to terminate the whole population in Russia or whatever country can not be called other than a Nazi. In this case you are also a Nazi.
They had the same plans to remove slavic people as you have.