Putin allowed to stay in power past 2024

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  1. Dayton3

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    Your post is complete and utter idiocy. The United States hasn't changed much in the last few decades.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most Bolsheviks were not Russians. Karl Marx was not a Russian, he was a German/Jew and a product of the Western enlightenment. The intent was to overthrow the Tsar who the Russian people adored - which was not difficult since the Tsar had a free press. The Bolsheviks used it to spread lies and propaganda - the same way the new world order freaks are doing now through the corporate owned media.

    I never met a Kangaroo.:oldman:
     
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    The German hospitals noticed how the price of kidneys dropped from 60 thousand, to 20 thousand after the coup. Lot's more on the market I guess.
     
  4. Dayton3

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    The Tsar was adored? You are kidding right? No doubt there were Tsar's who were "adored" but the last one certainly was not among them.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All kings are anointed by the Church to rule. The tens of millions of Christians who were martyred in Russia, died for the Church and the Tsar since it was both one and the same. Killing a king or Tsar is regicide, a major sin. The ones who killed the Tsar and his family, were brought in from Finland and other countries because Lenin knew that no Russian would do it.
     
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    I don't give a damn about people who are an offshoots of the Catholics that claim to be "Christians" think. As far as I'm concerned they are the same as Muslims.
     
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    mistake
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said that the Russian people didn't adore the Tsar, and I responded and told you that the Tsar and the Church was one and the same, so of course he was adored. I thought you were a history teacher and would like to know.

    To set you straight, the Orthodox Churches have been in schism with the Latin Church for a thousand years, neither one is an offshoot of the other.
     
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    Aren't you ignoring the Winter Palace Massacre which soured the masses and gave the Marxists their opening?
     
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    Didn't the Soviets hold elections? Very superficial, this idea called elections. Even the Mafia has votes and elections. Very democratic.
     
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    Well, Russia's not a kleptocracy anymore, that left when Vladimir Putin came in. And it's not an oligarchy like us. Most of them ran out with their money so they wouldn't have to pay taxes. What Putin has for support is the Russian people and the Intelligence agencies - since he was part of it. Unlike our elected officials he's not dependent on corporations, bankers and men like Soros to win an election. He's obligated to no one and free to do what he feels is best for Russia and the Russian people.

    This is what Washington could never understand. They thought that by sanctioning the oligarchs, they would get rid of Putin, not realizing that Vladimir Putin is not dependent on them for support. As a matter of fact, It's the other way around. It's the oligarchs that are dependent on him. He could very easily nationalize their ill gotten gains.

    As an example, Putin wanted to build up Socchi not only for the Olympic Games, but also to make it a permanent resort and for that it needed infrastructure. So as not to burden the Russia people, he made the oligarchs invest 50 billion in it. Washington and London assumed that if the oligarchs didn't get a return on their money they would be furious and oust him - so they did everything they could to sabotage the games through their controlled media.


    Didn't work! The games were rated as the best there had ever been, and Socchi has been thriving as a top resort ever since.

    What this proves is that our think tanks are idiots. I realized that when Washington thought that Russia was posturing with Crimea. How little they know Russia.
     
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    I think Jennifer is showing her religious bias. She is convinced that Putin is some kind of champion of Christians rather than being a former KGB thug. But she wails on and on about how he is supposedly protecting the so called "Christians" of the Eastern Orthodox church.

    And the Sochi Olympics were only considered the "best there had ever been" by Russian sycophants like Jennifer.
     
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    I don't think Saint Petersburg was really representative of Russia and the Russian people. It seems it was a world unto itself and the hub of the revolutionaries. I know that Tsar Nicholas II was being blamed for the shooting, but he was not in Saint Petersburg at the time, so it was probably his uncle the Grand Duke Vladimir that gave the order to shoot. It was his family that destroyed the Tsar. If it wasn't for their ambitions, the Bolsheviks would have never been able to take over. Recently I read that the so called 'priest' who was leading the people was a revolutionary and his real intent was to break into the palace.

    Russia's economy at the time was the fastest growing in the world, and the beneficial institutions that survived later on in the Soviet Union were also put in by the Tsar. He also gave Russia a free press, which the Bolsheviks used to slander him and lie to the people. Did it work on the peasants? I'm not too sure, since most of the 20 to 40 million killed were Christians. The reason the Tsar and his family were imprisoned in Ekaterinaburg, was because Lenin had followers there - which he didn't have in other areas.

    Anyway it was a race against time for the Bolsheviks, since the Tsar had the plans made up to distribute his wealth among the people. The Bolsheviks to counteract it, spread rumors that the lands he was going to distribute was that of nobility so they would turn against him, while also telling the peasants that they were going to give them land so they would gain a following - which the Bolsheviks didn't of course.
     
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    Russians always like their leaders, while they are in power. Power itself on it self is sacred in Russia. But after he will drive out of Kremlin with the legs on the front straight to the mausoleum, we can find out that people hate him...
     
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    How can people hate Vladimir Putin when the standard of living is ten times higher than before he took office, unless you think the rumor mills will start. What good will it them though, if they can't put the men they want in office, after all he did pass a law prohibiting anyone with dual citizenship and who hasn't lived in Russia continuously for a certain amount of years to hold office.

    Vladimir Putin might go down in history as a second Alexander Nevsky - unless there's a world war, which I believe there will be. All that's needed is for Erdogan to be overthrown and a Kemalist to get in power and close the Bosporus.
     
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    US makes a lot of trouble everywhere in the world, interfering in the internal affairs of other countries. US bombed Yugoslavia down to the ground in 1999..That says a lot about the indispensable nation...
     
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    Zoom, I do not watch Playboy TV and hate McDonalds. It produces unhealhy crap, you know this yourself.
     
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    Wishful thinking, nothing more.
     
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    I think you have a comprehension problem. Where did I say about the US? I talked about the specific person, who wanted Russia turned into the dust.
    To educate you, the first games who played with Hitler was not Stalin, but Сhemberlen and leaders of France and Italy who signed the Munchen agreement.
    Russians are not Slaves? Read and educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs
     
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    How so? The overwhelming majority of Yugoslavians and the overwhelming majority of structures in the country were not destroyed.
     
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    Prove it. With evidence from an unbiased source.
     
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    You tell this BS to those who lives in Belgrade. It would be fair to do the same to Washington what US did to Belgrade.
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    Dietmar Claudeau. International terrorist in the 1970s and 90s Stasi Agent In the 1990s - A participant in the Solntsevo organized crime group, was in the organization of Semyon Mogilevich (SMO). He worked for Mogilevich in Budapest in an underground laboratory for the manufacture of explosive devices. He had the nickname "Claude Bomber." I am personally acquainted with Putin on joint work (on organizing terrorist attacks) in Dresden.

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    Victor Korytov. Putin’s co-worker in the Leningrad KGB administration. In the 1990s headed the gangster private security firm VIAB, providing force cover to the authority of Traber. Under Putin, he is a member of the board of Gazprombank.
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    Victor Cherkesov. Putin’s co-worker in the Leningrad KGB administration. He was engaged in the persecution of dissidents, political investigation. In 1992, with the filing of Sobchak and contrary to the protests of former dissidents and deputies, the Leningrad City Council was appointed head of the St. Petersburg Directorate of the FSB. He was the chief security officer of gangster Petersburg in the 90s. In 1998, he moved to Moscow as Putin’s first deputy in the FSB. Under Putin, the president is the head of the State Drug Control Service of the Russian Federation. He was dismissed in 2008 in connection with the “Three Whales” case (dismantling between KGB clans on the issue of protecting smuggling).
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    Alexander Sabadash. Vodka King of St. Petersburg in the 1990s, a famous raider. Friend and business partner of Roma Tsepov. In 2004, together with Tsepov, he tried to mediate the Yukos case between Putin and Khodorkovsky (Tsepov and Sabadash hoped to get a stake in Yukos for this). After the murder of Tsepov in September 2004, he lost a significant part of his connections and influence. In 2012, he became a victim of a raider seizure by Rostec - he gave away assets and received a sentence for fraud.


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    Marina Salier Member of the Leningrad City Council in 1990-93 She gained fame as the head of the commission for the investigation of the "Raw materials for food" fraud. Petersburg in the winter of 1991-92 was on the verge of starvation, there were lines for bread. Under this pretext, the mayor's office of Sobchak issued various left-wing companies licenses for the export of raw materials from state reserves in order to buy food with the proceeds. After which the raw materials were taken out - and the money was stolen. The direct organizer of the scam in the city hall was V.V. Putin. In 2000, before the election, Marina Salier published an article entitled “Putin is the president of a corrupt oligarchy” about the inadmissibility of Putin’s nomination as president, as he proved to be a thief and a swindler at Sobchak’s mayor’s office.
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    Philip Bobkov - KGB general, the main fighter with “ideological sabotage” (dissent) in the USSR in the 1970s and 80s. In the 1990s - Head of the security service of the oligarch Gusinsky.


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    Vladimir Kumarin (Kum) and Alexander Malyshev (Malysh) - the founders of the Tambov-Malyshevsky organized crime group of St. Petersburg
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    Gennady Petrov (Gena Petrov). Another authority of the Tambov-Malyshevsky organized crime group. In Soviet times - the brigadier of toilets at the Moscow station of Leningrad. Shareholder of Bank Russia in the 1990s together with the cooperative "Lake". Under Putin, he became famous as a defendant in the “affairs of the Tambov mafia” in Spain. From the wiretapping of Petrov by the Spanish police, it was Gena who placed his friend Serdyukov as Minister of Defense, and Bastrykin as head of the Investigative Committee, who asked him about protection through mutual acquaintances.
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    Dmitry Filippov. In the days of the USSR - a prominent figure in the CPSU, chief of staff for the construction of the BAM. In the 1990s - One of the richest people in St. Petersburg. He was killed in 1998 by a radio-controlled bomb placed in the ceiling of the entrance lighting. For this murder, Yuri Shutov, a St. Petersburg politician, a long-standing enemy of Putin and Sobchak, was sentenced to life imprisonment, and, in combination, a criminal authority nicknamed Titych. The verdict provoked scandal and protests, many believed that the Shutov did not commit this crime or that Filippov was specially ordered to him to set him up.
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    Yuri Skuratov. Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation in 1995-99 The man of Primakov. He began an investigation against Yeltsin’s daughter Tatyana Dyachenko about receiving kickbacks from theft of budget funds (the case of the Mabetex company). He began investigations into oligarchs close to T. Dyachenko: B. Berezovsky (the case of Aeroflot) and R. Abramovich (on the illegal privatization of Sibneft). Skuratov also opened a series of high-profile corruption cases in St. Petersburg: the Russian Video case, the Sobchak case (taking bribes by apartments), the 20 th trust case on the theft of budget money at the St. Petersburg mayor's office in the 90s. (the person involved in the latter case was Putin).


    I think my 10 list is way cooler and brings actual perspective and reality into Putin and Russian politics. I can provide a 100.000 list similar to this, after all...its Russia.
    Sadly, I dont think @Jeannette will 'thumbs up' my post, like it did for yours;(
     
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    I don't give a rats ass about Washington D.C.
     
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    I thought Putin dealt with the widespread corruption? Now you portray him as being one of the fraudsters!
    Btw., the highlighted sentence <I am personally acquainted with Putin on joint work (on organizing terrorist attacks) in Dresden.>
    Does that mean you were acquainted with Putin? In that case, I am Putin's mother-in-law!!
    Well, let's find out what Jeannette will say.
     

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