Marijuana should be illegal !!!

That is not stats.

 

Correct I don't. One state does not constitute a national trend.

 

Apparently I struck a nerve

 

almost every American has done drugs and alcohol when younger... I do not think they are all losers, but I do think losers can also do those things

a loser?

"MARIJUANA QUOTES FROM FAMOUS PEOPLE"

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"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
- Albert Einstein quote on Hemp"

looking in a mirror wondering if he would be able to see his reflection if he was going the speed of light..... hmmmm

 

did alcohol abuse go away during prohibition, what about drug abuse during the war on drugs? nope, still there

the abuse of drugs and alcohol is there legal or not, just one makes criminals of those that did not abuse

 

It is a darn fine example since it was one of the first to legalize pot and has had a long time to look at the results. I have a son in a law enforcement job in Colorado and he indicated that the stats don't even show the extent of the problem.

 

I should have been clearer, I was referring to drugs OTHER than alcohol and mainly referring to grown-ass adults who use drugs as losers. Sorry, but there is a time to grow up and act like an adult. Yes, teens and young adults try drugs, but most of those people are sheep who follow along with the crowd. Adults should know better

 

Prohibition has been tried numerous times, and numerous times it has failed miserably. Perhaps it is finally time for the society of the united states to experience the full, overwhelming weight and cost of their desire to see illicit substances made legal for recreational use, and comprehend just what they are asking for. As those indulging in such substances die off in large numbers through overdosing, and left to decay where others must walk through their daily lives, the significance of their decisions will be made quite clear to them. No one will be able to claim ignorance, and that they had no idea of just how dangerous the use of such substances was. Eventually there will be no one left to become addicted or die of overdoses, and the matter will solve itself. That is ultimately what is desired, is it not?

If individuals wish to knowingly engage in reckless and criminal behavior, they will suffer the consequences of their actions one way or another. They are obviously being done no favors by their government fighting so hard to keep them alive through prohibitions and regulations, so perhaps it is time for a change of pace, and the consequences of their decisions made as plain as day. When children have to see their parents, siblings, and friends laying dead in the streets and on sidewalks as their bodies decompose while others have to walk over them, they will understand the true societal cost of the use of illicit substances. They will no longer question what is wrong with the recreational use of illicit substances, as they will understand why such narcotics were prohibited in the first place.

If the public does not wish to accept that there are certain substances that should not be used, then allowing them to experience the folly of their decisions is the most logical course of action. The more the matter is resisted and fought, the more they are glamorized and desired by the public. It would be the most logical course of action to engage in, seeing as how everything else has failed.

 

However, in Colorado it has had a harmful affect, the state I am most familiar with that legalized pot. Pot ruins young minds and it is permanent. There are numerous studies showing those same results.

 

Even so...alcohol is far worse in regards to drunk driving, domestic fights, alcohol related diseases. So why should alcohol be legal and not pot?

 

It should not be. The only reason alcoholic beverages remain legal is because the united states government collects a tax on their sale.

 

Not really, just alcohol makes you a completely different person and makes you lose your inhibitions, weed doesn't do that at all.

 

I agree. It sure screwed me up back in the day...took years to totally get over its unpleasant side effects. And after I did figure it out and stopped..the smell would make me nauseous.

It's not done good things here in oklahoma...we've got people going in 7 times a day for their 5 dollar specials...and we are just medical lol.

 

As they do with legalize pot

 

Bull Twaddle - in comparison to what - Alcohol ? Driving a Car ? When I was in High School - a fairly large one - graduating class was 450. You could count the number of kids on one hand who didn't smoke pot. Its just the way things were. As in every other high school in a good neighborhood the vast majority went on to productive lives - same as in some school where this was not the case in a different generation.

As in every other school - there were some who just didn't go anywhere - some as a function of substance abuse - pot being the least of one's worries.

Utilitarian arguments such as yours "harm reduction" - "what will increase happiness for the collective" = are not valid justification for law and they allow for and end run around the safeguards in place to protect essential liberty.

Who are you to tell someone else how much risk they are allowed to take ? Who gets to decide .. and on what basis ?

Is "If it saves one life" - "Harm Reduction" - valid justification for law ?

You have argued that these justifications are valid - of their own volition. So tell me .. where do we draw the line - who gets to decide - one mans poison is another mans pleasure. Do we just make it up as we go along ?

Should we ban skiing tomorrow - would that not save one life .. How about boating - that is really dangerous .. one could drown ? .. driving a car ? forget it.

In fact one should probably not rise from bed in the morning as one might fall and break neck.

These arguments sound good on the surface - but in reality they are horrible justifications for law .. and an anathema to the founding principles.

In a free society - individuals have the right to assume a reasonable risk of harm to themselves. Good luck arguing that Pot presents an unreasonably high risk of harm. The bar you are looking to hit is 2/3rds agreement from society - for such a law to even be legitimate.

By the above you may have figured out that current legislation is "illegitimate" as there is nowhere near 67% that think pot should be illegal.

Then there are the practicalities of maintaining the Rule of Law once you do make pot illegal .. Punishment should fit the crime for starters.
What punishment is suitable for a crime that is less harmful than Alcohol - and arguably less harmful than speeding.

Obviously we didn't fair to well on that score - nor did we on other scores - violation of liberty with respect to arbitrary search and seizure and asset forfeiture laws... we created a nightmare - that's what happens when you make illegitimate law (something that that a whole lot of people - at least 33% disagree with)

 

From an earlier post.

"it" was alcohol.

 

From post #13.

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Well sure if one ABUSES alcohol. Just as if one abuses pot it will have harmful affects.

 

Probably my last comment. I have been down this road many times before and it is already becoming repetitious.

I notice that the defense of pot rarely involves statistics. Just personal experiences.

 

Fast food has no redeeming qualities either, do you advocate banning that also? How about soda? Where does it end for you?

 

Driving under the influence of pot is not nearly as dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol. Go find some of those studies.
Regardless - this does not address my post. Pot is no more harmful than alcohol.

You are also in violation of a rule of law - One person is not to be punished for the actions of another. You are wanting to punish pot smokers who do not drive over the limit - for the actions of those who do.

You have no respect for the founding principles or the rule of law.

Why is alcohol not banned on the same basis .. "Someone might drive drunk" .. should we also ban cell phones in a car - texting while driving is far more dangerous being on pot and more dangerous than someone who is over the limit but not trashed out of their skull.

 

Hate to break the news to you, but Colorado has had a higher than average rate of marihuana consumption for decades. At least since the 70's. It was no accident that Colorado was the first state to legalize marihuana for recreational use.

Boulder has long been ranked in the top two or three cities as to a college educated population, where 2/3rds of adults have at least a bachelor's degree. More than twice the national average. It also has the distinction of having perhaps the greatest rate of marihuana consumption. Tofu was invented in Boulder. The people of Boulder also tend to be healthier, in better shape, and better looking than people who come from other parts. And quite a bit more laid back.

 

As I stated before, alcohol is more dangerous than pot. However, that is not a valid reason to use pot.

And you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I hate to break the news to you, but it went up after legalization.

 

I didn't say it was a valid reason to use pot - so who has no idea what they are talking about ?

We not talking about "valid reasons to use pot" we are talking about law - whether or not it should be illegal . The fact that Pot is less harmful than Alcohol "IS" a valid reason why Pot should not be illegal.