Australian MP's - Democracy Threatened By Treatment Of Assange

And which do you think you are?

 

I agree with all of that, and this attempt by Assange to hijack the judicial process with hysteria should not work. The bloke breached his bail terms given to him by UK Law at which he thumbed his nose. He is languishing in a UK Prison as a direct consequence of that. If the US can establish (in the UK Courts) he ought be extradited to the US, then he goes there and dukes it out there. He will not win this in the Court of public opinion or the schmedia. Neither are relevant.

 

What journalist steals his sources?
What journalist reveals sources?

Assange is not a journalist.
Say after me, "Assange is not a journalist."

 

It gets weirder.

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Let's see now, what journalist awards has Assange won over the years?

Sydney Peace Medal
Economist Freedom of Expression Award
Amnesty International UK Media Award
Sam Adams Award
Le Monde Person of the Year
Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism
Voltaire Award of the Victorian Council for Civil Liberties
Defenders of the Right to Information Award
EU Journalist Award
Awarded 2019 Galizia Prize
2020 Gary Webb Freedom of the Press Award​

 

They should strip him of these awards because he
stole his sources
compromised govt programs
cost human lives
raped women
breached bail conditions
use most people he came into contact with
... and maybe fathered a few more kids in his embassy stay?
if so, add "dead beat dad" to that list.

 

From what I hear Assange have been very busy at the Ecuadorian Embassy

 

How is Assange a "traitor" to Australia ? How would an American be a traitor for releasing such information?

Sounds to me like you are the "traitor" - to the Constitution and founding principles - lacking respect for freedom of speech, information, and freedom of the press.

 

Clearly it is not as clear as you claim -

https://www.rcfp.org/journals/wikileaks-and-espionage-act-1917/

 

I wonder if I was alive during the war against Japan in the Pacific. Given my progressive
views about white supremacy, imperialism and racism I would have sought to support the
Japanese. Any chance to pass on intelligence, erode my nations confidence in the conflict,
point out Western atrocities against Japanese civilians etc could all have been done best
as a Pilger and Assange style journalist.

 

Assange is a pawn, it's what happens when you become useful to the other side.

 

Now that is a preposterously nonsensical analogy/ false equivalency. The War against Japan you say ? Do tell how there is some world war going on - and something Assange did that was akin to passing nuclear secrets to Germany - something that would have a legitimate potential - of its own volition - to give the advantage to the Germans - or Japanese.

A good exercise you suggest - when certain rules are observed.

Step 1. Try imagining yourself into a situation that has some relationship to reality ... rather than one that does not.

Wikileaks has been instrumental in outing Gov't criminality - the classified info that was released -was in fact vetted for such things as described above prior to release.

The Gov't was caught - and embarrassed - on numerous occasions - which did a service to the National Security of the US.

Unfortunately - rather than address Gov't criminality our Gov't chose to go after the Whistleblower's with everything that it had .. full on war - including a war on free speech, freedom of information, and freedom of the Press - while at the same time conducting a war on Gov't Transparency.

And you want me to Salute these actions - and call them Patriotic ? I have other words. The Poster called Assange a Traitor - I say those within Gov't making war on the Essential Liberty are the traitors - and what we are witnessing is classic Orwellian Doublespeak.

The Whistleblowers I refer to however are not Snowden or Manning - I am talking about folks that tried to out Gov't crimes through legitimate measures - that the Gov't went after - and ruined their lives - for discussing the torture program, or the FSA meta data en mass spying program..

back to Orwellian Doublespeak..

When information was released about Hillary/DNC messing with Bernie Sanders - we were told - "This action harmed the US electoral System" How exactly does a citizen knowing the truth about an election candidate "Harm" our electoral process exactly.

Clapper - FSA - lied to congress (Felony 1) about en mass spying program (Felony 2). Not only is not charged - (see Russiagate) - is not even punished - and keeps his Job.

Obama's justification "If we want increased Security - you have to give a little" "Trade Liberty for Security" the age old trick the Founders warned us against and put in safeguards to protect against.

"Give me Liberty or Death" ? - "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither" - ? Remember those ?

Stalin used fear of an external threat to get the citizens to trade liberty for security - "Security for the Motherland"
Hitler - the same- his program was called "Fatherland Security"
Bush - lacking the creativity to come up with a new name - called the program "Homeland Security"

In the case of Stalin and Adolf - state sponsored propaganda was legitimized - and it is what we are seeing now.

Bush made it our "Patriotic Duty" to give up liberty for security - "Patriot Act" - over fear of a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from Walking.

Obama then changed the name to the equally Orwellian Doublespeak "Freedom Act"

What is it we are to be afraid of - who is the big bad enemy massing at the gates -ready to invade our homeland militarily - Like Japan ?

There is no such threat. It is one of the "Necessary Illusions" that must be maintained in order to justify the massive Total Military Industrial Complex Spend .. now at something like 1.2 Trillion.

Our intelligence budget is 80 Billion + (dark projects 50 Billion) is 130 Billion/year.

That is twice the entire federal spend of Mexico - a nation with an economy 12th in the world in terms of purchasing power. That is double Russia's entire military spend so I guess Russia won't be the one massing at the gates anytime soon.

Think you been ingesting too much state sponsored propaganda narrative from the likes of CNN, FOX, MSNBC - and associated talk radio crowd.

 

Certainly you are correct. And America had a lot of corruption in the 1930's and 1940's.
As an honest liberal, left wing journalist I would have worked hard to declare the corruption
of Roosevelt, third term in office, anti-Semitism, control of the supreme court, knowledge of
Japanese intentions and etc.. I would have been merciless.
I would have handed over to the Japanese the diplomatic cables, intelligence gathering by
America, names of agents etc.. Just like Pilger and his Communist friends and Assange and
his Islamist, Chinese and Russian friends, I would have been completely impartial.
There would have been no need to identify corruption in Russian or Chinese circles because
that's not my aim. And besides, the Chinese and Russians might kill me, just like they do with
any dissident or erring journalist.

 

Indeed there was much corruption back in the 30's 40's - and there is much corruption now - more insidious and entrenched than back then.

Who are these Islamist friends of Assange ? That is an absurd comment. "Russia - China" is koolaid induced fear mongering.

 

You can identify the friends of a news bearer if that person is not partial.
It's the one who benefits the most from the news. Not redacting the names
of agents in the documents, as promised, certainly led to loss of lives. And
showing Islamists how America operated was a big boon too.

How much Chinese and Russian corruption did Assange uncover?
It's not that Assange feared for his life if he began exposing these govts
but it simply wasn't his aim - he wanted to expose the corruption of the
liberal democratic West, particularly America. Why? Because he hates
these societies.
John Pilger, Wilfred Burchet and Julian Assange are Australia's version
of Edward Snowden. They aren't necessarily pure Marxists, but they
found appeal in aspects of Marxism or its govts because your enemy's
enemy is your friend. It's called "self hatred."

 

It led to the loss of Zero lives - and certainly does not reach the bar of Nuclear Secrets to an enemy such as the Nazi's.

What on earth does this have to do with Islamists ? You throwing a bunch of mud at the wall and hoping something sticks.. citing spoon fed state propaganda narratives as if these have some basis in fact.

What is laughable about this whole narrative you got going - is that you are claiming some spies .. and "Islamists" - as if the Islamist's got to one of our spies.

Hate to burst your bubble pal - but the CIA is in Bed with Al Qaeda, and ISIS .. they luv each other .. like Brothers from another mother.

It wasn't Assange that was supplying tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment to Al Qaeda/ISIS and other Saudi inspired radical extremist Islamist's of the same ilk over much of the last decade. That would be the these CIA folks you are worried about.

 

^^^Worthy of 10,000 likes.

 

You referring to the arms America gave a group of Afghans called the "the students"
who were fighting Soviet Imperialism? These guys we call the Taliban now.
We support Italy WWI and fought them WWII - happens all the time. At one stage we
gave millions of tons are arms to Stalin - the guy who helped start WWII by invading
Poland and the Baltics.

 

Not to mention lack of respect for the US Constitution and the rule of law...

 

No Sir, I'm not referring to the Taliban - I am talking about the 911 Terrorist group - "Al Qaeda" - for much of the last decade.

 

So who gave what to whom and why?
Sounds like another tin-head conspiracy.

ps you buy petrol? You are supporting Saudi Arabia and their Wahhabi global promotion.

 

Exactly - it is those who committed the crimes that compelled Snowden to risk his life - "for your Freedoms Mate". It is the people who committed the crimes who are traitors - and the citizens who support these criminals within our Gov't- claiming that it is the criminals who are the Patriots - in an Orwellian Doublespeak Dance.

Snowden has offered to show up and stand trial in the US. His only request is that he be granted a fair trial - in a body that is not a Kangaroo Court.

Our leaders will not agree.

 

You are the one touting "tin-head conspiracy" and state propaganda narrative. Please do not project your failings on to me.

In fact you should be embarrassed being a member of this Forum and not know the answer to your own question - and at minimum at least know that it is the extremist Islamist Jihadists in Syria (including other groups led by - or affiliated with Al Qaeda/ISIS) is the main possibility, Yemen can also be included in the mix.

What an absurd statement?!
- initially you hyperbolize - embellish - and regurgitate demonstrably false narratives in an attempt to demonize Assange - claiming in general that he supports Islamists.

Now you are trying to downplay the CIA involvement with Islamist's by comparing supplying Al Qaeda shoulder launched surface to air missiles - perfect for taking out civilian aircraft - and tens of thousands of tons of other sophisticated military equipment - by equivocating this action to support for Saudi Arabia through gas purchases.

If you can not see your own partisanship and lack of objectivity above - then you can not see.

"So who gave what to whom and why?"

The CIA/Pentagon/US - led a global coalition of nations - in an effort to arm, support and supply the Anti Assad Rebels in Syria - over a period of roughly 5 years starting in 2011.

The Why - is an interesting Question ! Surely you have heard of the war in Syria - rather than me continue to rant - you tell me why we were there ?

 

First of all it was not the USSR that started WWII, it was Poland when they invaded Czechoslovakia. But to distract from their own guilt and provoke Russia as well, Poland had the EU go against all facts and logic to make Moscow an equal cause of WWII.

The sheer indifference of the EU towards the millions of Russians that died to protect their lands from the German onslaught is disturbing. I don't know what Poland's game is, but if it's to fulfill their dreams of a new Polish Empire at Russia's expense, they better think again before they end up a pile of ashes.

Other than that, we never gave millions of tons of arms to the Soviet Union. Thanks to Churchill, Roosevelt gave Stalin a lend lease so he could help the people in Leningrad. At the time they were dying from hunger because of the German blockade. Over 1 million died. Other than food we sent trucks, since the food had to be carried thousands of miles from Vladivostok and Iran to Leningrad.

 

No, WWII was started by the Treaty of Versailles giving German territory to Poland.
And the Versailles treaty was started by WWI
and WWI was started with the shooting of the Archduke
and the shooting of the Archduke was because of Austria-Hungary's rule over Bosnia
etc
etc
....
....
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I figured out WWII was started by the fall of the Roman Empire.
Another way to look at it is to say WWII was started when England and France declared
war on Germany.