Trump says US will ‘destroy’ Iranian gunboats that harass American ships

I was going to link to Wikipedia.

Are you going to suggest Wikipedia has some kind of bias regarding missile defense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3

And Standard missiles are not built by Lockheed Martin.
...genius...

 

The defenses of all these warships can easily be overwhelmed by the sheer number of missiles and torpedoes of all kind that Iran possesses and which can be fired from a variety of platforms, onshore (from both fixed silos and mobile launchers), at sea (from all sorts of naval vessels, including thousands of Iranians speedboats), from submarines, and aircraft and drones. Unless we are talking about a limited engagement, those defenses have no chance to save those vessels. For that reason, US naval doctrine does not even plan to keep its warships and vessels within the Persian Gulf area in case of war with Iran.

 

The U.S. was capable of defending its carriers against hundreds of Soviet launched cruise missiles simultaneously back in the 1980s. It can certainly deal with the piddling Iranian efforts.

Once again, the U.S. has never planned to keep warships in confined areas like the Persian Gulf in time of war. It makes no sense even against a piddling military force like Iran's.

Why do you spend so much time talking up Iran anyway? Are they paying you? Tell me how to get in on that action as I could use the money.

 

If you don't like reading what I have to say, and can't do better than these kind of responses, I can put you on ignore and not respond to you. And you can do the same regarding my messages. But as an Iranian, I have much better reason to care about the policies and perceptions about my country than you. I don't need someone paying me to care about it either. I try to stick to the facts as best as I know them, to try to filter out the propaganda you are exposed to, and let the conclusions people want to draw from it go where they may. I would like to see some of you do the same, but that seems too much to expect from some here.

 

Ah you are an actual Iranian. Fanatical nationalism on your part then. Something Americans do not suffer from.

 

I think you need to understand who the terrorists are; who they are killing; what nations are supporting them and what nations are fighting them.

Terrorists are Sunni jihadists from Gulf states such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and Central Asian states such as Turkey, Afghanistan, etc. They adhere to strict Islamic doctrine and sharia law. They behead and enslave Christians, Alawite Muslims and heathen Yazidis for their secularism and tolerance.

The terrorists are supported and armed by Turkey, US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar - thereby making those nations terrorists as well.

The nations fighting terrorism are Syria, Iran, Iraq and Russia.

Now that we straightened that out, and we know that Iranians are not terrorists, then why was Soleimani killed and why is he labelled a terrorist when we are the ones supporting terrorists, and when he was the one fighting terrorists and protecting the people in Syria and Iraq? Is it because he was the in-between for peace with Saudi Arabia to end the war in Yemen? Does stopping wars and killings now make one a terrorist?

Disclaimer - Not that I agree with Iran's policies or intent, but intent does not equal action, and Iran's actions did not merit the assassination of their hero. In contrast, the actions and support of terrorists by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, US, UK, Fr., Israel and Qatar, would merit the killing of all their leaders.

 

no the terrorists are Hezbollah and the organization that took over from the PLO mind is cramping on their name at the moment.. all funded by IRAN.. the Iranians are most definitely terrorists . you say Israel should be wiped off the planet then fund organizations that seek those ends you are a terrorist. Iran government = terrorists. if we took out the Iranian government it would be a huge act of kindness to the world.

 

Yea, but can Iranian missiles and torpedoes overwhelm a single smart bomb with Ayatollah's address on it?

 

All you mentioned was the Aegis system - Lockheed Martin being one of the primary entities ... I didn't say anything about any SM-3 system being built by anyone ?! - "genius"

How about posting something from your link that you think merits attention - sheds light on your claim - rather than spouting mindless fallacious gibberish.

 

I guess you can pride yourself on it if you want, but the teenager left Iran and moved to France, and competes under a FIDE flag, not an Iranian one, so it seem pretty obvious that he doesn't take much pride in Iran.

Imagine that: the best chess player in the history of Iran, and he wants to become an American.

 

The reason he wants to switch his nationality is because he can't play against Israeli chess players. Basically, not just chess players, but many other Iranian athletes who have had to either pretend injury or otherwise throw matches to avoid facing athletes from Israel, aren't happy with the (unwritten) ban preventing them from competing. That hurts their rankings and career in their respective fields and I understand their position. I believe Iran's policy on this issue is misguided.

 

Btw, I am not sure he is the best player in the 'history of Iran', as Iran has some very good chess players besides this teenager. But all those chess players, and their rankings, suffer from Iran's ban on facing Israeli athletes which prevents them even competing in many tournaments when facing an Israeli chess player is very likely.

That said, it is not entirely a surprise that some of the very best and brightest in Iran in other fields have also chosen to immigrate from Iran and move to the US. The late Maryam Mirzakhani was the first female in history to win the equivalent of the Nobel Prize in mathematics. She was born in Iran, she earned her gold medal in the math Olympiad as part of the team that won that competition for Iran. But she moved to the United States, where she became a professor at Stanford. Besides the fact that a country like Iran, under sanctions and other measures aimed at isolating it from the rest of the world, isn't the best country in the world for top elite personalities to advance their careers, it is also a fact that the US (as the preeminent economic and scientific country in the world, albeit a fading one) is also the place many of the top elites do want to move to in order to further their careers.

But Maryam Mirzakhani never forgot her Iranian roots and maintained close contacts with Iran even after she moved to teach at Stanford. There is another Iranian mathematician who won the Fields Award last year that is different: he is explicitly against the Iranian regime. But that doesn't change the fact that he is Iranian, was educated and trained in Iran, where he taught before moving to the UK, and his politics doesn't change my point about the level of scientific talent in Iran.

 

Before Iran's strike against the Al Asad air base, the US sent a message to Iran through the Swiss. The message was that if Iran retaliated for the assassination of General Soleimani, the US would use devastating force and one of its targets would be Iran's Supreme Leader personally.

Very shortly after the attack, and before Trump showed up to give his awkward press conference many hours later, Iran's Supreme Leader gave a speech where he gives these speeches and looked calm and collected, talking about Iran's strike as a slap in the face of America but saying that the revenge for the assassination will ultimately be in kicking the US out of the region.

Compare Iran's Supreme Leader and his demeanor after the strike against the Al Asad air base to Trump's.

 

~ One very good reason to reelect Trump is his energy independence agenda. The USA ( likely with Canada ) becomes the world supply - the middle east goes bust . No more missiles. No more terrorist.

 

Chess?? I thought this was about naval battles?

 

I am all for the US becoming energy sufficient and keeping it that way. However, your implicit assumptions about Iran's economy are wrong.

In light of US sanctions, Iran doesn't sell much oil these days. Even with US sanctions which preclude Iran from selling a lot more than just oil, and basically seek to prevent all trade with Iran, and even with most major markets closed to Iran as a result of these sanctions (including the fact that no international banks handle any trade with Iran on any item), Iran's non-oil exports are over $40 billion. Iran is one of the leading producers of steel (#10), cement (#8.), automobiles (12th in the world in 2017) and many other industrial products.

 

Welcome to the 1950s.

 

Well, in some ways, Iran is like what the US was like in the 1950s, but in many ways it is not.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/iran-surena-iv-humanoid-robot
Iran Unveils Its Most Advanced Humanoid Robot Yet

edit: I had posted a video of an earlier model of the robot. Edited to post a video of the latest version.

 

He thinks the teenage chess player living in France and some math-letes factor into it somehow.

 

I'd be genuinely interested in any source with firm figures on how many speedboats the Iranians actually have.

 

You mean like persecuting homosexuals of course.

 

Well. Do you think it's smart to keep pulling tiger by the whiskeys and pray he won't wake up?

 

Oops

 

Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves

 

That gun there, wouldn’t even need to kill any the Iranian crew, just shoot
the hull of the boat with 10000 holes and it sinks and they can swim back. 20 miles to shore lol