So, I got my first unemployment voucher.

Guess what. You can get that $2400 if your company reduced your hours/pay by 10% but still be drawing a paycheck.

 

Actually states and nations that didn't lock down are seeing the same negative results. People will social distance and this will hurt businesses almost as badly. And that is beside the point. There aren't enough jobs and we need unemployment benefits to keep people from being ruined.

 

What's really going on is that the disease was an unknown quantity and that a perfect answer may not exist.
Some of the countries that shut down hard at the beginning are opening up with few deaths.
Brazil ignored the disease and tried to pretend it didn't exist - and today, they passed Italy in the number of infected and
may have to shut down anyway.

You can pretend you have the perfect answer, but reality usually has other plans.

 

You can thank the fearmongering media for most of that.

Additionally ---- had we not forced businesses to shutdown, we would not be facing the current economic meltdown. This was a self inflicted wound. Dragging it out is idiotic. Defending it is idiotic.

Unemployment benefits are one thing. Paying people more NOT to work than they were being paid when they were working is idiotic. Period. Idiotic.

If you can't comprehend this, we have nothing to talk about.

Continue with your revenge politics and fearmongering, at the expense of the country. I find that type of politics despicable.

We have nothing more to discuss here.

 

Globally we have had community spread long before any stay at home orders. The virus is highly contagious but results in mild or no symptoms in the vast majority. Protect the nursing homes and those with serious preconditions but if you are healthy and under the age of 60 COVID is no different than the flu.

 

Rainy season maybe, and other factors about the Tropics. Several articles on the flu season for those areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_Brazil

 

We have 30 million unemployed. You can complain all you want about what led to that, but the reality is that there aren't enough jobs openings for these people. If you don't give them unemployment benefits, then they will be financially ruined and the depression really will be very serious very soon.

 

Ouch

 

Of course I never said that so...

 

I'm on mandatory shut down till June 1st. I have mixed emotions about it.

For one, it feels real good to sit on my butt and have my needs attended to by others for a change. Usually I pay through the nose every week to pay someone else to sit and do nothing.

On the other hand people who aren't getting these benefits are suffering, unfortunately I cannot help them. I also realize that there is nothing free in this world. In the end I will pay for this, we all will.

I don't have the answer to this dilemma. In two weeks I will return to work, we have enough work sold right now to keep us busy till the end of the year, and all of this will have been like a dream, except my credit cards will have zero balance. I might buy a guitar or a bigger TV with my last two checks. We'll see.

 

Maybe. That's the problems with an unknown virus. You can pretend you knew what it was going to be like - but only with
current knowledge of what it's going to be like. And we have yet to determine the long term impact of the disease. Those
who survive it are reporting a number of long term health risks - kidney damage, blood clots, and some symptoms that
are just now showing up in children.

I don't think there is a "perfect" answer to this virus - mainly because it is such an unknown quantity. Is it seasonal? We aren't sure yet. Should we have shut down? Look at what's happening in Brazil right now, they didn't shut down, and now
their infection rate just passed Italy's and they may have to shut down anyway.

If businesses had remained open, would anybody have showed up? Travelers would have still cancelled plans to travel, with or without the shutdown. People would have significantly reduced their visits to restaurants and clubs and bars even without the shutdown. No shut down might have equalled no relief package from Congress, and a number of businesses with reduced traffic would have still gone under.

No perfect answer here, no matter how much you pretend you have it.

 

"Washburne says while their findings suggest a lower fatality rate is possible, it's premature to calculate a death rate from the infection rate the researchers found. Death rate, he says, ''is probably the most important and contentious number for assessing the risk-benefit of costly interventions, such as statewide lockdowns versus more diffuse interventions such as mask wearing.'" https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200418/new-model-shows-covid-more-widespread-less-severe

See 100% proof this idiot can't read:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...y-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/

 

Are you also an hvac project manager? Or am I confusing two different people?

 

I still make more working...

 

Can't you lie any better than that?
I can see why you only earn $900 a week from the govt.

 

For the last time: Unemployment benefits are one thing. Paying people more NOT to work than they were being paid when they were working is idiotic. The $600/week bonus ON TOP OF UNEMPLOYMENT, is idiotic and counterproductive. The BONUS is the problem. Among other things, it disincentives work. That's a huge problem.

And, it's not just "complaining about what led to" the current unemployment problem. We need to FIX IT! Stop the shutdown, stop the stupid Dem power struggle, let the businesses which survived reopen, send these employees back to work, and cut off the $600/week bonus.

Good grief, I'm really going to have to quit responding to you before I say what I'm really thinking, and find myself reported to the mods. And for the love of God, READ what you are responding to. I said it twice: Unemployment benefits are one thing. Paying people more NOT to work than they were being paid when they were working is idiotic. Period. Idiotic.

 

Nope. I have a job and own a brewery.

Next?

 

Nonsense. It was designed to assure that people who would only be getting $140/week could afford to stay home
It was designed to insure that money still flowed through the economy

Are you people really that ...what's the word I'm not allowed to use on this forum....?

 

He, like lazy Dems, wont work for under 35 an hour.

 

Probably a little more idiotic to pay retired people to not work during Covid, uh, well, they weren't working before but they do have to buy Chinese masks because our country needs to be made great again.

“It starts with personal responsibility to reduce transmission risk - if not for grandma, wear a mask for the economy to give others confidence to resume normal activity.” (Alex Washburne) https://twitter.com/Alex_Washburne/status/1260421314483040259?s=20

Then again the Gestopo Communist Manifest Gubermint Republican party gave me orders to conform to official commie house color scheme the exact day my check came, so I used it for official commie Republican approved paint; Great again should include removal of commie Republicans from all offices where they mandate commie comic code enforcement coloring books.

 

Not when it is killing people, just so some can feel safe.

If you wants to stay at home do it, but don't tell other to ruin their lives just because you want to stay at home.

 

What in the hell are you babbling about, "retired people"? Presumably seniors? Retired seniors don't get unemployment.

Try harder if you want another response.

 

Stop the Dem power struggle in which the Republican led Senate and President signed on to support. Spread the wealth I always say.

 

I can see you don't understand liability issue are to a company or the govt.

 

It’s ridiculous not to base policy decisions on what we know. Healthy people under 60 and school children have practically nothing to fear. Unhealthy older people are at risk. Open the economy and schools and protect the unhealthy elderly.