A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

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  1. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    It's an attempt to understand your interpretation of Georgia's citizens arrest statute away from the heat of the debate over Arbery. Your dodge here tells me what I suspected.

    Where / when did they "admit this to the police"? Please be specific.

    ETA: Here's how the police report reads:

    That sounds to me like quite the opposite. It sounds to me like the beginnings of an argument that he had immediate knowledge of crimes committed by Arbery.
     
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    Perhaps then you should use an apples to apples comparison rather than comparing apples to broccoli?

    Didn't you say you'd read the police report?

    "McMichael was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break - ins " hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis. . . "

    They then pursue him and try to box him in calling out "stop stop stop we want to talk to you".

    If you're effecting a citizen's arrest you say "STOP! YOU ARE UNDER ARREST" not "hey cmere I wanna talk to you"
     
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    So what is this prior burglary for which he fit a description you speak of?
     
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    I have no obligation to address your strawmen. I am quite familiar with the GA citizens arrest statute. It's how I'm able to keep correcting you.


    you haven't read the police report? lol
     
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    The evidence has already been presented. There were multiple people in and out of that house, but they only happened to see the ONE black man that went in. If you want to believe that, more power to you.
     
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    The way Greg McMichael explained it in the police report was:

     
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    Because the perp was arrested immediately, not 3 months later with a DA writing a letter clearing him of the murder. Well will wait and see how many come out and defend his actions.
     
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    The problem is the only house Arbery went into was this house under construction. Greg McMichael is a liar and the truth ain't in him, for the simple fact the only thing on record is his son's pistol being stolen out of his vehicle and they don't have a clue who stole it.
     
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    Yes, repeatedly. I see where Greg McMichael calls Arbery "the suspect from the break-ins". I don't see the part where he "admits" that "they did not witness a crime". Perhaps you'd like to point it out.

    I don't believe the law specifies the specific language one must use.
     
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    Show me the quote where they defended this murderer. You go and pull up some BS from 2012, GMAFB.
     
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    Post the version of what you watched and read.
     
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    So murdering a man is being a good neighbor.
     
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    No but you must put them on notice that you are effecting an arrest and "hey stop stop I wanna talk to you" is not that.
    Therefore, since Greg admits they attempted to seize him of his liberty and used force to do so, while armed, but did not even place him on notice that that's what they were doing, he can't possibly shelter under the statute and its agg assault leading to a death which is additionally charged as murder, see section c of the catchall murder statute for Georgia.

    Yeah I did point it out: Greg encounters arbery running down the street, not apparently committing any crimes by his own admission. He saw him running down the street, thought he recognized him from some prior encounter, and considered that enough to say he had reasonable and probable grounds that arbery had committed a felony and was fleeing allowing him as a private citizen to use reasonable force to effect his arrest. Which it is not.
    You are familiar with the Georgia CA statute?
     
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    The 2 fools in jail for murder.
     
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    Which doesn't give him reasonable and probable grounds to suspect a felony by Arbery either 2 months prior on the tapes or just then. If you say it was burglary: What was Arbery's intent to commit a felony therein? If that felony is some form of theft? Why does he take nothing on the tapes, and why does the homeowner report that nothing went missing?
     
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    which does not give him authority to detain arbery. he did not witness a crime. He had no reasonable suspicion arbery committed a felony.
     
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    Where does this requirement to "put them on notice that you are effecting an arrest" come from? I can't find it in § 17-4-60.
     
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    Why I haven't murdered anyone.

    They pursued a black man that fit the description that any other black man would have fit. Can you show me the police reports of all these thefts and were the report said a black man was the one committing them.
     
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    So are the whites who entered that SAME house entering as trespassers with intent to steal.
     
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    Lets stop this foolish debate right now:
    1) if you read the CA statute the language is clear that you must witness the crime in some important way and the the person to be seized must be fleeing the scene of same. You don't get to say someone fits the description of a rapist from 2 months ago and hold them for questioning.

    2) https://www.redandblack.com/cops/ci...cle_3649dc64-5eb6-11e2-b79f-001a4bcf6878.html
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    The state of Georgia allows people to make citizen’s arrests. To make a citizen’s arrest, a person must witness a crime being committed and detain the suspect until police reach the scene.

    “Basically, in a citizen’s arrest situation, a citizen actually witnesses a crime and detains that individual until law enforcement can arrive,” University of Georgia Police Chief Jimmy Williamson said. “The only other way it can be done in a citizen witness situation is if they go to court and talk to a judge about obtaining a warrant for that individual"

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    Apart from physical harm, incorrectly making a citizen’s arrest can also have legal consequences. Using excessive force or detaining the suspect in an improper way can lead to criminal charges for the arresting party.

    “Outside the scope of a shoplifting case, it’s probably not very common and probably ill advised because the person making the arrest could subject themselves to criminal or civil liability,” Cook said."
    Alan A. Cook, director of the prosecutorial clinic program in the UGA School of Law.

    You have to see it happen and according to the CA statute the person must be attempting to flee.

    This article is from 2013, its not racially charged or politically charged by this issue.
    Argue with the guy who teaches the UGA prosecutor's program and a police chief.
     
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    Greg McMichael literally calls him "the suspect from the break-ins".

    Yes, at least as familiar with it as a layman can reasonably be.
     
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    Ah that's cute you think you can arrest someone without putting them on notice they're under arrest.

    That's absolutely adorable.
     
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    Which doesn't mean Greg has seen him commit a crime, much less a felony and that he is fleeing the same when encountered.


    No, you're not. Demonstrably. See above.
     
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    That's a lame dodge. Try answering the question this time:

    Where does this requirement to "put them on notice that you are effecting an arrest" come from? I can't find it in § 17-4-60 (because it's not there).
     
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    We have us a video of how Ahmaud felt when the cops
    asked to question him.
    Very defensive.
     
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