Incompetence is as incompetence does ...

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Same here ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prove it. Or go play on a Message Board.

    This is a DEBATE FORUM ... !
     
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    JUST THE FACTUAL EVIDENCE, PLEASE

    Oh really? Get a history book and find the facts:
    *We voted Obama into the Presidency 2008 and two years later (because there was no miracle recovery from the Great Recession) we voted the HofR over to the Replicants.
    *Who promptly refused any further expansion of spending in the National Budget with the intent of hurting Obama's reelection in 2011.
    *So what happened is shown here below in the Employment to population Ratio.
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    *Yes, the Replicants in the HofR refused stimulus spending to defeat Obama's reelection AND SO unemployment skyrocketed!

    You seem blind to the historical facts of what happened in the US. And the Replicants letting Donald Dork off the hook in the impeachment proceeding is yet another example of the patent greed that infects that political party .... !

    *Not to mention the disgusting manner in which the Electoral College manipulates the voting patterns and for the 5th time In American history, it allowed the LOSER of the popular vote to win the presidency in 2016.
     
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    Did you forget we Americans created a TP shortage?:D
     
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    One does not need a history book to know about what one has seen and experienced.
     
  6. LafayetteBis

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    DRAMATIC LACK OF POST-SECONDARY DIPLOMAS

    Why don't the states all have their own army? Like once-upon-a-time?

    Why does more than half the US's Federal Discretionary Spending go to the DoD? (See here.)

    Why does Uncle Sam maintain a basically private Healthcare System when every other advanced nation has long since moved on to a totally National Healthcare System (paid by taxes). Moreover, all these "others" have lower lifespans than the US. From here:
    Key questions on Government Spending:
    *Why does Uncle Sam prevent young kids from obtaining the all-important Tertiary-level Education by not instituting/funding free-tuition (or nearly free depending upon family income). Which it could do at all state institutions of higher-learning supported financially by the Federal Department of Education?
    *Why do we waste more than half the Federal Discretionary Budget on the DoD? Where's the global war that menaces Uncle Sam directly?

    MY POINT

    Here's what post- and non-post secondary education looks like for America's kids:
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    Why the huge gap between the number of local high-school graduations and post-secondary schooling? In this new Information Age of ours, a high-school diploma is not enough - one needs postsecondary education in selected fields ...
     
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    Cruz proposed term limits of 2 terms for Senators and 3 terms for Representatives. Won't go far with those hundreds of folks who are set for life regardless whether they work for the people or for their own enrichment.
     
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    That's one reason Texas and Florida have lower deaths per million than New York and California. The former two state governors mandated separating Covid-positive residents from the rest of the community early. The latter two demanded that nursing homes take Covid-poisitive patients if they had extra beds in the home.

    Even with that, states are having trouble identifying staff/employees who may carry the infection inside asymptomatically, but trying to keep people separate versus intentionally mixing residents helped a bit.

    Texas is trying very hard still to keep nursing home infections down. Abbott is sending surge teams with the Texas National Guard to go across the state disinfecting nursing homes, and has enlisted the help of local firefighters to help test every single nursing home resident and all employees.
     
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    Not bad questions, though "why" often doesn't get us to change.
    Anyway, the answers could take paragraphs, pages, books. The quick answer, though, is one word; lobbying.
     
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    NECESSARY CIVICS INSTRUCTION

    Those limits should be made the subject of a national vote since they refer to elections for positions at the national level. The states can leave their own laws that each change of the state vote might bring about.

    Frankly, I suggest the problem is the lack of sufficient Civics instruction in the state secondary-schools.

    From the Center for Civics Instruction:
    The State of Civics Education - excerpt:


    Note also from the information posted that many schools in America teach Civics for only half a school year. Is that enough? I wonder ...
     
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    Contact tracing is a necessity with reopening. Texas has put together a team of over 2,000 contact tracers for Phase II of reopening which starts Friday. An online self-reporting system has gone live. We will have 4,000 tracers before going to Phase III of reopening the state. Cities and county health officials are also recruiting contact tracers independent of the state.

    It's a good plan. No problems with it.
     
  12. LafayetteBis

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    That's because the status-quo of politics has been cast in concrete for centuries. That the US should have ONLY a two-party political system indicates what?

    That a candidate needs MONEY to get elected, and when that must come from contributions, multiple political parties cannot "cut the mustard" of political donations.

    Which is why elections should be subsidized by government funding, either on the state or federal level. After all, running the state or national governance is a necessary requisite, so it is we, the sheeple, who should pay for it.

    BUT, we should also get our money's worth. Any country that elects a Donald Dork is beyond the pale as regards the election of decent politician-material.

    The last thing LaLaLand on the Potomac needs is another millionaire PotUS - who wanted the job just to show the world how easy it was to get it.

    In fact, it should not be easy at all and only the best should apply - but the Money-Factor changes all the best ground rules including trustful honesty ...

    PS: Yes, once again, I must turn to Europe for a lesson. It has learned much from the US. There are damn few EU-countries where any single person or group of persons can truly influence an election by means of monetizing them. For instance, political TV/Radio advertisements are now not allowed.
     
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    You were all over the map to get to your point, but if your point is that Americans are getting dumber and dumber, I agree, even though your chart indicates that more Americans are receiving education than ever before.

    I don't know that some of that can be helped, surely not by "free" education. About 10% of the population is born lacking the necessary intelligence to be able to read beyond a 3rd-grade level, if at all. Those will be dependent on others most of their lives. A portion will not be equipped to pass high school. A portion can make it through undergrad college, but will be "stumped" at post-graduate levels.

    Have you ever heard the saying, "People rise to the level of their own incompetence?" Not everyone is a genius, in fact most aren't. Free college won't fix that. We offer free education through 12th grade. Those who pass and excel continue on to college.

    Unfortunately, today's societal push for everyone to go to college, free or not, just slows down learning for people who are equipped for book learning and produces a lot of useless degrees in areas like Liberal Arts where the curricula is relatively easy but there is no job demand upon graduation.

    Colleges do survey high-school performance and free scholarships are offered to students who excel, but whose family can't afford tuitions. It's been that way for decades.

    Besides, we will always need the trades: plumbing, HVAC, construction, agriculture and others. People can earn a very good living without the book smart education.

    IQ curve:

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    I'd like a link
     
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    No, it's not enough. We stopped teaching history and civics and instead kids are taught that boys and girls are not really boys and girls. There's more focus on teaching kids to be good "global citizens" and fit in to the herd mentality than there is on math, science, reading comprehension, and civics. Public schools have moved from educational institutions to indoctrination stations. A mis-educated population is necessary for a change to an authoritarian governmental regime. Do not question authority.

    We also have issues with educating immigrants in some states, like Texas and California. We've been swamped with a lot of illegal aliens and have a societal need and obligation to try to educate them. Many teenagers show up who have never been to school, are completely illiterate in their own language, then we have a duty to try to teach them English as a second language when they are unfamiliar with their first language. No reading, writing, or math skills. Their parents can't help with homework, as they are also illiterate in their own language and resist learning more than rudimentary English. Trying to find bi-lingual teachers has been a continual struggle. School taxes have skyrocketed, classrooms are packed, and kids are getting an increasingly worse education here. Uninvited migration skews the IQ curve toward the left-end.

    The founders knew we would lose the Republic if people were uneducated, or more the case, uninformed. Yet, we wanted the "common man" to be in control of the government, so that we did not fall into an authoritarian dictatorship or monarchy.

    Thomas Jefferson, “I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession, unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree.”

    Thomas Jefferson, “Ignorance and despotism seem made for each other.”

    Benjamin Rush, “If the common people are ignorant and vicious, a republican nation can never be long free.”

    And yet, we want mail-in voting ballots for all, and groups of neighborhood canvassers going door-to-door to help the uneducated and uninformed fill in the right blanks.
     
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    Consider that Trump spent a lot less money on his 2016 campaign than Clinton did. Voters are sick and tired of the establishment rulers who have hollowed out the middle-class core of the country for their own gain.

    It is unfortunate that people think they have to vote for one of the two parties and a "household name", when there are more than two options on the ballot every four years. That gets back to the lack of civics knowledge of the populace and ingrained black-or-white two-party-only psychology. I've voted 3rd party in 2008, 2012, and 2016. Unless and until a plurality break free of the two party mentality, we get what we get....and mistakenly believe that we had no other choice and/or that we actually made an independent choice.

    The power of the parties and the media over our psychology is a real problem.
     
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    That's quite the QAnon rant

    And thought of providing proof to back up any of that?

    Particularity this

    "There's more focus on teaching kids to be good "global citizens" and fit in to the herd mentality than there is on math, science, reading comprehension, and civics. "
     
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    And you want what?

    A ONE PARTY Soviet style Trumper/Republican "system"?
     
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    Still waiting for one of you to tell us which actions trump could have taken that would have OBJECTIVELY saved lives.
     
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    Start with Quarantining returning travelers from Europe and China
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    Pee-wee-for-President-signs-by-Tatum-Originals-3.jpg
    ✔ Don't forget to vote !
     
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    That’s not objectively saving anyone’s life unless you’re telling me that we could stop every single person who had the virus from entering the country. That strategy would only serve to delay its spread. As long as one person got in with it, it’s so contagious spreading was an inevitability.
     
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    Nonsense. Why shut down travel and then allow that to happen.

    Your post was ridiculous
     
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    No what’s ridiculous is you or anyone else asserting ANYTHING we could have done would have prevented the virus from getting here. That would be impossible.
     
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