To those of you who are wearing masks in public.

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    The fact of the matter is that wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart, and washing hands are all designed to reduce the probability of infection. This is a numbers game. Even in an ideal situation, like a medical clean room, there is still a risk of infection, but the goal is to make that risk infinitesimally small.

    To claim that wearing a mask or standing 6 feet apart "makes no difference" as @gfm7175 wants to is objectively wrong. Those steps make reduce the likelihood of infection by a significant degree.

    The notion that it does "very little" as @sec wants to argue might be closer to correct, but it sort of depends on how you define "very little" and also on a whole host of other factors. The false sense of security that he references or the types of material in the mask or how well the masks are worn all play a factor. But if the better types of masks are worn and people operate the masks correctly, then it does reduce the likelihood by a significant degree.

    We are all engaged in the numbers game to reduce the spread of the virus by trying to teach and implement some best practices. So improving things by "very little" (but significant) by wearing a mask, combined with other "very little" (but significant) steps like social distancing and washing hands is our best chance for reducing the R0 of this virus to the point where infection rates will actually drop.
     
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  2. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    Not buying it.

    How do ICU's sterilize their equipment? How do people recover from viral infections?

    Answers: UV light and immune systems, as both are able to stop viruses.
     
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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Laughing does not affect mathematics in any way.

    WRONG. They are designed to filter out dust/pollen/wood particulates/etc. They are quite useful for woodworking, sanding, gardening, etc. They are not designed to filter out viruses.

    You are denying the science. You are also denying mathematics as well as the specs of an N95 mask. Viruses are smaller than 300nm.
     
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    Sure, but the point was that UV light is one method used to sterilize equipment. That poster was denying that UV light stops viruses.
     
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    hand washing will go a lot further to helping than masking up. And, stop picking your darn nose and rubbing your eyes

    Simply sit back and watch folks in a grocery store, including the employees who are masked up and gloved. Follow some around for a minute or 2 and watch the cross-contamination. Watch the adjustments of masks after touching lots of items. Watch the moving of the mask and rubbing the nose or eyes. Watch the gloves touching the cell phone and we know the phone will soon be in contact with bare mouths when they are in their car

    False sense of security is much worse than "working without a net" but here we are, pushing the false sense of security.
     
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    That sneeze would not land on your "sleeves, your shoelaces, your pants" if the person wore a mask.
     
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    1: Most is. QED
    2: Single virus is not a threat
    3: Virus on fingers is not a threat
    4: Normal breathing is not a threat

    A mask reduces risk
     
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    People do that with or without wearing a mask!
     
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    No point in talking to you if you have put your head in the sand.

    Masks (with wide testing and tracing contacts) was one of the reasons why North Korea did not have to go into lockdown and I heard one of their virologists saying that last night. However when someone is determined to remain ignorant for personal reasons when given the information there is nothing that can be done.

    If you want to avoid a second lockdown wear a mask. If you do not, stop your sniveling about lockdowns. Your choice.
     
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    They sometimes wear masks, but never to stop viruses.

    Depends on the situation.
     
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    Better.

    It's more or less a "don't infect a wound/surgical site with an inadvertent cough/sneeze" type of thing.
     
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    Which is why it was pretty criminal for our Governments did not arrange to have more than could be needed before it got started. Could well have avoided the lockdown as well if people had done what was asked of them, though looking at this thread that would have been unlikely.
     
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    There is nothing moral or immoral about wearing a mask.

    It's just virtue signaling.

    Various viruses/bacteria, as has always lurked in spittle.

    It's not polite, anyway.

    Maybe in whatever locality you are from. Here in Wisconsin, there is no State directive to wear masks. If there was, I would not comply, as it is unconstitutional to force me to wear a mask. Some stores are requiring their patrons to wear masks (such as Costco). I don't shop at such stores anymore (at least while they are enforcing the mask requirement).

    Any disease that anyone is infected with could potentially spread to anyone else who they have contact with. This is nothing new.
     
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    You've exposed yourself to viruses/bacteria for your whole life "that can kill you", yet you've never worn a mask in public until the government/media fear mongered you into doing so. Why are you now so deathly afraid of viruses/bacteria when you weren't before?
     
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    There may well be a need for people to be taught how to do this. People in South Korea managed fine. Are you suggesting the people of the US are less intelligent and hence less capable of following instructions than the people of South Korea?

    Now South Korea and other countries in that region had had experience of similar viruses before. That is why they knew how to deal with it and immediately got started on containing it, including wearing surgical masks.. The West however believed we were superior. We ignored their knowledge and experience. That is why we have had to have lockdowns and economic consequences.
     
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    Yeah, because it's SOOOOOOOOO hard for a virus to get around............
     
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    Did you think they crawl?
     
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    Probably had something to do with the 100,000 dead folks in ten weeks
    That’s ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DEAD

    and oh yea... the really high mortality for older folks and those with any kind of medical issues that
     
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    And that’s different from “don’t infect other people with an inadvertent cough/ sneeze” how?
     
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    Some thoughts on mask wearing . . .

    A carpet is where you keep and store your dirt.

    Sure you run your vacuum cleaner now and then,
    but the dirt builds up over the months and years.
    Very few people get new carpet every 12 months.

    A family with say 3 children is going to have a lot
    of dirt stored in their carpets.

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    A mask is where you keep and store your COVID-19
    virus.

    How so?

    Well if your mask actually stops the virus, then
    compellingly we conclude that the virus is now
    on your mask and needs to be immediately
    discarded replaced by a new clean
    mask.

    How many actually do that? My opinion
    is very few do that. For example clerks and
    other personal that work in Walmart's and
    Sam's Clubs for say 8-10 hours straight
    would need to change their masks several
    times each day. Right? Who actually
    believes they do that?

    The COVID-19 virus "experts" tell us that
    the COVID-19 virus can live several hours
    on door knobs and ceramic and other
    surfaces. They also say that the virus can
    live 3 hours on paper. And I guess on mask
    material as well?

    The COVID-19 virus "experts" say crazy things.
    Remember that Anthony Fauci who is the top
    man on this virus -- he told Americans that
    we should NOT EVER AGAIN SHAKE HANDS
    with each other. Is he right about that? If wrong,
    then one wonders what other things he is wrong
    about?

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    What about wearing masks when all the restaurants
    re-open. People will take their mask off just long enough
    to eat? Then immediately put them back on?

    I predict that that the American public is going to
    very soon collectively refuse to continue to wear
    masks --- the "experts" are saying this COVID-19
    virus can be around for the next 2 years or longer.

    And that it can mutate and become even deadlier
    than its present form. That it WILL BE BACK!

    Are Americans going to continue to wear masks
    when they go out in public for the next 2 years?

    Or the next 3 years?

    _________

    The United States Government just sent me and my
    family a check for $2400.00 to stimulate this economy.
    They sent out tens of millions of these checks. Tens
    of millions of Americans got checks for $3400.00
    Such as this cannot be sustained.

    If the world does not soon re-open the world economy
    then the world is going to be locked down in a severe
    sustained Global Economic Depression that will be
    worse, in terms of human deaths, than the COVID-19
    virus.
     
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    bingo and cross contamination from hands COULD be a way that you MIGHT become infected. Did you know that colds and flu tend to be passed not by someone sneezing or coughing but transmitted by the hands into your eyes or nose. Masking up isn't the answer unless you feel that govt should force everyone to wear silly home-made masks

    DO you believe that it is the role of govt to force the population to perform a task that is not based upon factual evidence?
     
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    in the several Publix supermarkets near us, employees were handed out 1 company provided mask and it is heavy and causes them to sweat and the employees must wear that moist mask their entire shift, and it's up to the employees to wash the mask or not.

    And food for thought; these mask wearing employees at restaurants/stores etc then remove their masks during their breaks so they can eat or drink and all of that bacteria and virus is then on their hands and any surface that heir hands touch
     
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    All one needs to do is live their life as they normally would. Practice basic hygiene.

    No they don't. The virus has spread, and is still spreading, all around the world. Six feet apart and a mask is not going to stop you from getting infected, nor will it stop someone else from getting infected.

    He is correct. It does very little.

    No it doesn't. Viruses are smaller than the pores of the mask. You are not stopping the virus in any way/shape/form by wearing a mask.

    Nope. The only thing you listed that makes a difference is basic hygiene (ie, washing your hands before you eat).

    You are fear mongering.
     
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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    1. That's not stopping the virus.
    2. Strawman. I didn't say "single virus".
    3. Yes it is. It is one way that the virus spreads.
    4. Yes it is. It is one way that the virus spreads.

    Masks do not stop viruses.
     
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    No need for them to crawl.
     

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