What have you got to lose? I will tell you, your life.

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  1. david gullikson

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    over four times the likihood of serious heart arrythmias, 45% higher risk of death. Trump insists that there is NO risk, as the drug has been around forever.

    Should Trump open his quack mouth? When he does, shouldnt he be on the hook, for saying EVERYONE should take it?

    Is there anything Trump should NOT be allowed to get away with?

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    For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...s-patients-study-says/ar-BB14sKRo?ocid=msnews
     
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    But I thought you wanted the government in charge of our healthcare? Did you also oppose Obamacare? It created record use of pharm products, record profits for pharm companies, and record levels of sickness.
     
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    There's no rational basis for this claim.
    +45% and +411% increase over... what?
    What's the base chance?
    1 in 1 million + 45% is 1.45 in a million.
     
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    The left's attacks on Trump have all failed. How many have there been? 10? 15?

    Russia, Ukraine, emoluments, etc. The list is endless. The petty sniping is laughable.

    History books will treat Trump very well.
     
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    Then don’t take it. Pretty simple right?
     
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    If you believe that Trump was actually taking the drug you aren't a Trump supporter, you are a Trump mark.
     
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    Do you use everything Trump does as a guide for your life? It appears so. That is weird.
     
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    A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.

    MSN really completed an in depth worldwide study of nearly 100,000 coronavirus patients with reference to the consequences of ingesting hydroxychloroquine in only 2 weeks? That’s friggin amazing.
     
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    Maybe the VA should stop handing out 45,000 pills per day then.
     
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    Next up is clinical trials for Penicillin and Tylenol.
     
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    Perhaps you should actually read the link?
     
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    So basically all the leftists on TV crying about it.
     
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    Over the control group who were not given those drugs
     
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    Irony.

    It is based on a retrospective analysis of medical records, not a controlled study in which patients are divided randomly into treatment groups — a method considered the gold standard of medicine.
     
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    So?
     
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    LoL, the party of science has spoken.
     
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    Let's make it simple for you by explaining where Seal went wrong.
    MSM did not do a worldwide study in two weeks. They reported on the findings in the study by Lancet. But I'm happy that you have acknowledged that I base my posts on science.

    And here, just for you, is the study by Lancet:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
     
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    Let's look at some facts instead of leftist fantasy:

    Hydroxycloroquine has been an FDA approved drug since 1955.

    Hydroxycloroquine is on the top 300 drugs list prescribed in the US, at over 5.5 million doses prescribed annually.

    Hydroxycloroquine is on the WHO's "List of Essential Medications"

    The morons who are trying to demonize this drug are laughably dumb.
     
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    Lancet didn't do a study either.

    Maybe you should take your own advice and try reading it.
     
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    So anyone who is taking this drug should stop right away? LOL!
     
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    "Findings
    96 032 patients (mean age 53·8 years, 46·3% women) with COVID-19 were hospitalised during the study period and met the inclusion criteria"

    The purpose of this study was to evaluate the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19 using a large multinational registry to assess their real-world application.

    Study design
    We included all patients hospitalised between Dec 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020,

    Patients who did not have a record of testing in the database, or who had a negative test, were not included in the study.

    The funder of the study had no role in study design, data collection, data analysis, data interpretation, or writing of the report.

    Results
    96 032 hospitalised patients from 671 hospitals were diagnosed with COVID-19 between Dec 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020 and met the inclusion criteria for this study (figure 1).

    The study cohort included 63 315 (65·9%) patients from North America, 16 574 (17·3%) from Europe, 7555 (7·9%) from Asia, 4402 (4·6%) from Africa, 3577 (3·7%) from South America, and 609 (0·6%) from Australia (details of the number of hospitals per continent are presented in the appendix, p 3).
     
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    Which was not a study, but a review of some documents.

    Why don't you try reading this relevant part that should jump out at anybody capable of independent thought. Let's see if you can tell me what you think this means.

    The study noted, “However, hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likely to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease…Thus, as expected, increased mortality was observed in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine both with and without azithromycin.”
     
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    LOL. Why don't you point out where in the Lancet study that quote you posted came from.

    And here just for you is the definition of the word "study"
    noun
    noun: study
    1.
    the devotion of time and attention to gaining knowledge of an academic subject, especially by means of books.
    2. look at closely in order to observe or read.
     
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    Now see if you can find the definition of scientific study, which is what we're talking about, and not you trying to figure out what is going on in this thread that keeps going over your head.

    Hahaha they changed it from the original article written in April and now they have one they released in late May.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

    First they tried to do the VA one, which bombed on them in public, and now they're trying to publish another one citing "global" records.

    Funny stuff.

    Here's the point you're missing: Hydroxychloroquine was only prescribed to the patients in the worst condition as a final attempt at saving dying patients.

    You know, since there was only anecdotal evidence of it's effectiveness, and it was tried as a last attempt in a near death group of patients.
     
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    Everything you have written is completely made up by you. You clearly did not bother to read the OP or the Lancet report. Nothing was changed.

    I gave the scientific definition of the word "study"

    The OP is about the Lancet study published on May 22 not a study published on April 21st by Medrxiv.org on 368 patients who also reached the same conclusion as the Lancet Study which was based on nearly 100,000 hospitalised patients

    So now not only do you not know what the word "study" means but you've also posted a fake quote you attributed to the Lancet.

    You've also posted an additional fake claim that patients in the final worst stages were included in the study. Directly from The Lancet

    "Patients who received treatment with these regimens starting more than 48 h after COVID-19 diagnosis were excluded. We also excluded data from patients for whom treatment was initiated while they were on mechanical ventilation or if they were receiving therapy with the antiviral remdesivir."
     
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