If "Our Creator" endowed us with rights...

Which is why, as long as we are stuck with tax under these circumstances the last thing we want is a 'fair tax'. This is making me nervous, that 2 things we have agreed upon and for the same reasons. It would raise the average Joes tax significantly as well. To trumpet fair tax imo is to cut ones own throat, unless you are warren buffet.

 

You want answers without studying the issue. You want a college degree in ten sentences or less. Since this is NOT about the Fair Tax; this is about you wanting to defend your self appointed guru position on this board, I'm only going to tell you that you are full of manure. You live on this board and jump from issue to issue, unable to focus on the subject at hand. I think you don't have a life outside this board and you like to tie people up, hoping to minimize their efforts to have productive and civil conversations while you filibuster, hoping for a ch ink in the armor - hoping to "win" some pretend debate or argument.

Well, we cannot debate the Fair Tax on this thread. Neither is it the subject of the thread. You are wrong in your assessment AND you're being dishonest. You asked what could be done and you expect me to defend the only proposal that was put on the table. Politics is a negotiation. Personally, I'd go back to constitutional taxation before the 16th Amendment. There were two books written about the Fair Tax that wound up on the New York Times Bestseller list. Those two writers would say you are wrong. IF you're really interested (and we know you are not), I'll provide you some info that refutes what you're trying to say on this thread. Then we can get back to the issue at hand.

https://fairtax.org/

https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Tax-Book-Saying-Goodbye/dp/0060875496

Your point was that nobody was getting proposals on the table. That was a lie. Rather than admit that, you then shifted gears and want to "debate" the fact that you were wrong with yet another deflection. Willreadmore... you need to do just that. For a few weeks I've been obliged to keep coming here and proving that you are consistently wrong. The reality is the government ran America for more than a century and was making history making progress before the idea of an income tax was ever thought about - much less discussed in the legislature. AND, adding insult to injury we had a very low national debt before that plank out of the Communist Manifesto became law. How did we take care of the needy back then? We did it quite well, thank you very much. Welfare is better handled at the state and local levels of government.

 

Strawmanning everything, asking questions and moving goal posts. Then he wants me to twinkle my nose and solve all the ills of this country, demanding details what I would do to fix the **** mess that people he champions created. How far did Lincoln and Kennedy get with that, personlly I prefer my head remain attached to my body.

If we are thinking of the same way they taxed in the formation of this country I think I 'may' agree

I'll have to read more on that, see if it changes my position, thanks.

 

You made a proposal - great. But, most on this board know the serious defects of FairTax.

I don't see you using the tools a Christian youth pastor has - making your more frequent dependence on ad hom rather than the important precepts of the Bible surprising.

 

I didn't watch the vid, but I like the flag.

We really have allowed America to be owned by wealthy corporations - even declaring that they have "rights"!!

It's no wonder that so many hightly successfuly corporations pay zero taxes.

 

So, what you don't understand, you call an ad hom (sic)??? Christian "youth" pastor??? Two thirds of the people that I witness to are over 40. If I tried to rely on the Bible, you would be insulting Christ and the Word of God, so I'll give you a taste of what you want:

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7: 6

You are deflecting again. You said there were no proposals to eliminate the Fair Tax. I proved you wrong. I'm not going to defend the Fair Tax. I told you that I was undecided as to whether or not I'd ever support it. So, here you are lying by misdirection and deflection. It's not looking good for you. When you have to stoop to those lows, you're desperate. My point was, put the Fair Tax on the table and see what the people will agree to. Politicians are mostly lawyers. The art of negotiation with them is to ask for a million dollars if you know that the other side will settle on $250,000.

You should hang up on this side argument you started and reread the OP. OR you can continue to lie and deflect. If your position is that weak, I'm not sweating it.

 

I can provide you with the facts. You can feel free to ignore your education. You would never look at the issue the same if you invested the little over an hour and half with a man that will tell you things you never heard before.

 

This whole post of yours is watered down ad hom.

 

No, not hardly. You really need to quit vowing to read more and actually READ MORE. Don't be afraid of all sides of any equation, not just what you want to believe.

 

That's no better than more ad hom - accusations that I don't read enough.

If you want to switch to that as the topic, then start a thread on me - lol!

Otherwise, maybe back to THIS topic?

 

Trump sounds like Stalin.

 

Resistance 101 ad homs you because he cannot successfully argue the OP.

 

The truth is NEVER an ad hom (sic.) "THIS" topic is not about taxes, your personality, your ego, your desire to be THE man at PF; it is about Rights that are given by a Creator.

With respect to the federal income tax - It is unconstitutional, unnecessary, illegal, immoral, uncoscionable, theft and nothing more than a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. Beyond this point, if you still want to defend it, it is your Right as an American to do so. If you want to be in control over PF, you are certainly within your Rights to believe that as well. This country ran for over 150 years without an income tax and I've made it plain to you that if I had my way, we would finance government the same way we did prior to the income tax (which was supposed to be a temporary tax to begin with.) Now, you can beat your drum all you like and stroke your ego. What you cannot do is prove my position wrong. If there is another poster on this board that gives a rip, then here is all they need to know about the income tax:



The fact that you keep arguing over things of which you have literally NO KNOWLEDGE of tends to support my position that you need to read more.

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him" Proverbs 18: 13

 

Resistance 101 untruthfully calls his ad homs truth when if fact they are fantasies in his head.

 

Apparently you need it explained to you:

I too have posted citations that had you READ them you would have had no choice but to concede your position, but you didnt, instead you went into blind denial, moved the goalposts, posted strawmen, or apologetic arguments for the state.

Just check the several pages of blind denial when you were informed by legal reference that [you did not refute] this country is in fact a "constitutional republic", you demand its a democracy, the that is pumped by the news media.

Had you reasonably refuted the legal references that would be a different story. In fact I enjoy it when people are able to refute bs legal determinations.

to the contrary he made a good call. its very frustrating trying to 'debate' anyone who constantly moves the goal posts all over the map with strawmen redd herrings, which at that point is no longer a debate by anyones standards.

 

The truth is never an ad hom (sic.) The only fantasy I harbor in my head is to have a public one on one debate with critics that like pretending they know things they are completely ignorant of and need exposing in a public way.

 

Modern country then.

Regards
DL

 

Given that the tax system decides the poverty levels in a country, I would suggest we change our demographic reality with the tax system, to end poverty. We, as this graph shows, could easily afford to do so.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Regards
DL

 

There is no point in talking about what no longer exists.

Regards
DL

 

This thread has wandered far from where our rights come into the land of conspiracies, paranoia and racism.
I stopped watching your video 3 and half minutes into it not willing to waste my next hour and forty five minutes. The 16th Amendment was legally ratified by 42 of the 48 states. His quote of Mayer Rothschild "Give me control of a nations money supply...." is a misquote of a quote that can not be attributed to him. Mayer Rothschild died in 1812 the narrator attributes that quote to the Rothschild living 100 years later. Too many lies in just a few minutes.

 

If you were that secure in what you claim, you would never have accessed this thread.

 

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18: 13

As for Mayer Rothschild, you are being deceptive. He wasn't the only Mayer Rothschild... you and I both know that.

 

I will remain secure in my thinking till show error.

Regards
DL

 

Who is being deceptive? The quote is attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws" was first cited in 1935 without a source, but probably by someone like you.

 

Resistance 101 untruthfully calls his ad homs truth when if fact they are fantasies in his head.

Oh, were that so, but nope Resistance's ad hom as just . . . ad homs ~ not arguments.