The CDC Released New Death Rate Estimates For The Coronavirus. Many Scientists Say They’re Too Low.

Of course, it does. British Columbia has 5m people and this is their situation:



The "curve" has been flattened. A stay-at-home order? At no time. The province is reopening schools that had switched to online, dining in at restaurants, barbers, and so on. Very few masks because very little Covid-19 is around. Old people have emerged from their homes.

You're not going to lecture people into getting out to the mall in the middle of a pandemic.





Trump can force open businesses by not supporting them when they're closed, leaving them desperate to open but that doesn't mean they'll have enough customers. The only way to possibly avoid a serious downturn is to get the virus under control.

 

I’m not sure what your definition of lockdown is, everyone’s seems to be different. But we didn’t do stay at home orders here and never came close to overwhelming healthcare facilities. Also, other measures like mask wearing and social distancing were less common than elsewhere. I know personally a few doctors, hospital owners, and nurses, and they believe the measures we did take such as closing non-essential businesses for too long was a mistake. The lack of treatment of heart disease, no cancer screenings, etc. during the pandemic has them very concerned about the future. They are much less worried about a “second wave” than a tsunami of heart attacks, late stage cancers, and other problems that would have received earlier treatment if not for over-emphasis on COVID-19.

Common sense tells us a lot of this is dependent on population density and lifestyle. One size fits all is not the answer if we want to keep people and the economy alive. It should have been obvious from the start many of the states with the highest bed and ICU capacity were least likely to have high hospitalization rates. My state took this into consideration up to a point, but could have done better. Bottom line is I think there is information available on lockdown vs no lockdown. Not perfect data, but certainly valuable data.

 

Propaganda Alert!

We don't have herd immunity for corona viruses causing colds. We don't know at this point how long or strong immunity is for SARS-CoV-2.

You destroy your credibility when you make up stuff. Why should anyone believe a thing you say?

 

You remind me of Useless Hillary insulting Trump supporters. Folks are concerned when they see we have 100,000 dead in a couple of months.

If you don't or won't address fears people have about getting the virus, or bringing it home to their family, you're going to wreck the economy because a good chunk of people won't get out and spend money.

 

Try going to Worldometer, click on USA, and see that the statistics of lesser known states in the USA with a few million population are comparable to BC.

 

What was TRUMP predicting?

ONE case within weeks of April 1?

 

People are chomping at the bit to get out and spend money which is why the left is attempting to instill fear in them

 

Your pals must be deep in the closet because I haven't seen any medical professional dismiss COVID-19.

If we let the virus run amok, it will take many months to build herd immunity, if it's even possible to do so. Hospitals will be overrun with COVID-19 patients, something that isn't happening in British Columbia.



There are just 34 people in hospital in a province with 5m people. The city of Vancouver, fourth densest in North America, has this situation:



Why is your strategy better than theirs? There are only 13 people in hospital with COVID-19.

Sure, and we're already maintaining greater restrictions in hotspots.

 

No, they aren't--not while the virus is around.





Why not choke is off as they've done in Australia?

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/crowds-pack-memorial-day-hot-spots-covid-social/story?id=70866157

 

Propaganda Alert!

Your "Attack the Left" Trumper playbook won't get people out spending. When are you going to get in touch with reality?

 

You didn't address what I wrote except to cite visuals of crowds.

We can't have a healthy economy if we don't have by far most people out and spending. This is a slow-motion disaster:

 

Your polls are invalidated by on the ground real time facts.

 

Talk, talk, talk.

Do you actually think you're going to get people to ignore 100,000 dead Americans we've over a couple of months?

 

A few pictures are your "on the ground real time facts?" Egads.

You're like Trump--you think you can talk your way out of anything.

 

We don't even know how long immunity lasts and we have Trumpers aping...



... the Idiot-in-Chief. A let-'er-rip Trumper approach to the pandemic could fill our hospitals for months and greatly damage our health care system.

 

There is no "Wuhan Virus," only Trumpers mislabelling SARS-CoV-2.

 

Trump screwed up. We could have been where British Columbia (5m people) is now...



Their large Vancouver metro area with half of the population:



Why are you defending the indefensible?

 

"Flyover country" depends on the wealth generated by states like California, Washington, and New York.

 

My sources say we could have had a lot fewer deaths if we had pursued different policies.

 

My friends are not dismissing COVID-19. They are realists who make decisions based on empirical evidence instead of emotion.

Overruns aren’t happening anywhere. I prefer herd immunity in months to herd immunity in years.

That’s great. You’ve flattened the curve. The flatter curve has the same area underneath as the more v-shaped curve. If fewer cases per day over a longer period appeals then go for it. But it’s an emotional argument. We have no hard evidence an acceptable cure or vaccine are even possible let alone imminent. I don’t think our decisions should be based on what makes us feel good in the present. My strategy is better because it allows young healthy people to acquire immunity now. Not in 12-18 months or never if we wait for a vaccine. This notion there will be an effective vaccine is great for your feelers, but it’s a huge long shot.

And we need less in other areas. Based on more than just state lines, etc. but on demographic’s actual risk instead of perceived risk.

 

BC seems like a terrible place to be with a confirmed case/fatality rate of nearly 10%! Worse than every state in the Union!

What is wrong with the Canadian health care system?

 

False choice. Presidunce Trump...



... can starve desperate people into opening the business doors, but he can't make them go out and spend money.

The economy could have been saved by Trump and his pal...



... but they're holding off on putting more money into the economy. It's such a disastrous policy the Fed Chairman appointed by Trump was moved to almost plead with the government to provide more spending now.

 

Talk? I gave you a link showing people all over America and Canada doing just that.

 

Why to you think Republican Federal Reserve Chair appeared on 60 Minutes and implored the federal government to spend more money now? This jackass...



... is talking about waiting to see how the federal spending so far is working.

At least Pelosi is trying to get more money into the system. The sad thing is that both parties are letting small and medium businesses die. That's right--both parties.

Trump can starve people into opening the door to their business, but he can't make people go shopping.

Well, maybe--I haven't been following your exchange. We can keep businesses alive while we work on a cure, effective treatments, or a vaccine. Yes, we can keep the economy going by printing money. For a year? Yes.

The Republicans are screwing up the economy. Time they got the boot.