Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

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Should Antifa be designated a terrorist organization

  1. Yes - the blood of many innocents is on the hands of ANTIFA

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  2. No - I can't recall too many deaths of innocents by ANTIFA

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    No ... simply a crime and not more as that.

    And how many killed by any lefty and / or islamit out of these 200,000 again?

    So what is the bigger threat again, eh?
     
  2. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Corrupt Cops and Corrupt looters. Unless the left can control their looting protesters.....NOTHING and I mean nothing will change.
     
  3. dairyair

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    They are called Anti fascism. Hence the name Antifa.

    All groups/organizations have goals and objectives.

    What is the stated goal of Antifa?
    Note, I don't want your personal opinion.

    I do agree they exist, but why? Does anyone know. Again, not one's personal opinion.
     
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  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    What they call themselves does not reflect what they are, however. The name ultimately means nothing when the tactics of fascism are readily deployed by the group during peaceful demonstrations to instigate violence because they do not like the message they are being presented with.
     
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  5. dairyair

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    Tell the white supremacists to stop hiring the looting protestors.
     
  6. Mandelus

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    Lol ... just plain wrong?
    Micah Xavier Johnson was everything, but NOT a motivated radical lefty terrorist. He was what is called a black racist against whites.
    This also exists and not only white supremcy movement ... what is not wondering as radical counter reaction to the white racists.
    The same goes for the New Black Panther Party, because they are everything too, but not left-wing radicals or left-wing terrorists. No, they are what are called "reverse racists" ... and basically you can call them the black counterpart to the KKK or the Aryans, just as radical and violent!

    So first make a better fact check ... just as a suggestion. But it is good that you brought this up on the table, because with that we have the transition to ANTIFA!

    Trump and his fans with the idiotic red MAGA cap fan community blow to the total attack on ANTIFA as the evil of the riots etc. ...
    It may be that they also participate ... even here and there for sure and with certainty they do ... but the fool in the White House puts it as if it were mostly to nearly only the ANTIFA ... AND THIS IS A TOTAL, INTENTIONAL, INFAME AND EVIL LIE!
    In addition to simple criminals, who see the chance to enrich themselves by looting, there are also groups and members such as the reverse racists of the New Black Panter Party!
    And Antifa and the new Black Panther party are 2 totally different groups that have as much in common as the KKK and Martin Luther King ... or you and the lefties!

    And so we have the general problem with you Americans when it comes to such things ... you don't look at your opponents well enough and throw them all in one pot without paying attention to the important differences! Would you like an example where that happened? In Iraq ... do you remember all the attacks and IED attacks on US troops and the civilian population that happened there? If it wasn't clearly Shi'a, it was always evil Al Qaeda in media and official statemens... only that was total ignorant BS! Why? Because even back then the IS was too often behind it and not Al Qaeda ... and Al Qaeda and IS later declared each other the total war that still applies today, hardly any American knows that, eh? I know ... I have often received a "who cares" response about ... to what just underpins my statement!
     
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    Provide evidence of the above claim.
     
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    Since when a pure criminals seeing a chance to enrich them by looting shops automatically lefties?
    Since when are black reverse racists like the New Black Panther Party and others of that type any kind and sort of lefties?

    For sure ANTIFA is here and there involved, but this fool Trump want to let people believe that all or in majority is only ANTIFA the one doing these crimes ... and this is a total lie with intention.
    Good that you got fooled by him, eh?
     
  9. dairyair

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    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    So, they are deploying forcible suppression of opposition? Who is their opposition?

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    Benito Mussolini (left) and Adolf Hitler (right), the leaders of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany respectively, were both fascists.

    While I never condone violence, serves no real purpose. Opposing the likes of Mussolini or Hitler seem to be a good reason.
     
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    The White Supremacist group posed as Antifa on twitter.

    A white supremacist group created a fake Twitter account, posed as the leftist Antifa movement and called for violence during the ongoing protests sweeping the nation, the social media giant said Monday.

    “Tonight’s the night comrades," the group tweeted on Sunday. “Tonight we say ‘f--k the city’ and we move into residential areas... the white hoods... and we take what’s ours.”

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0200602-udvg4p2fqndv5bru2fncnvymyq-story.html

    I bet more than 1 group is pulling such tactics.
     
  11. dairyair

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    The OP poll say Blood of Antifa of many innocents.
    Who have they killed?
     
  12. Xenamnes

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    Again, what antifa calls themselves ultimately changes nothing. Unless of course you are truly a cow and your legal name is Dairyair. Names ultimately mean nothing whatsoever, as actions speak louder than words.
     
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    No one.

    Also, antifa isn’t an organization that has a centralized hierarchy to fund and direct actions to carry out. It’s more groups of people using anti-fascist iconography. Guess we’ve got to start rounding up all the punk rock bands that have used anti-fascist symbols and iconography throughout the years.
     
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    I'm genuinely intrigued by your delusions. Just where along the political spectrum do you think the New Black Panther Party falls?
     
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    Conner Betts killed 9 people in Dayton, Oregon on August 4 last year. He was a committed leftist and Antifa supporter.
     
  16. Kode

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    Terrorism means terrorizing society. I don't know anyone who feels terrorized by Antifa, but I also know that white supremacist groups have impersonated Antifa on social media and tried to cause trouble and give Antifa a bad name.
     
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    Great, and I think it's about time white supremacists were labeled a terrorist group. There, how's that for logic?
     
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    What is their purpose, what do they want to accomplish?
     
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    I agree it is kind of questionable and concerning.
    Then again, that's also what I believed about this law itself, when it was passed.

    When will people wake up and realize the problem is not just in officials in power making bad decisions, but also many times the laws themselves, that played in a big part in the situation or easily allowed these officials to make the bad decisions they did?
     
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  20. Kode

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    Antifa is a very loose association of radicals. There is no membership or leadership. The crimes and violence we've seen have been proven to typically be the work of anarchists and white supremacists, some of whom identify with Antifa.

    Because it is a loose association, if Antifa is banned and labeled "terrorist", the loosely associated participants will continue to do what they do whether they associate with another org name or not.
     
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    Let's see you prove that.
     
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    Take a good look at the looters.
     
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    Keep saying it and tell that one long enough.
     
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    The investigation couldn’t pin that act of mass murder to a political motive.
     

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