Not Just George

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lesh, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. Lesh

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    Perhaps because they were killed by people who's job it is to protect? People who are paid by our taxes? This is a apples and oranges comparison.
     
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    So if by defunding the police blacks killed by police drop to zero but blacks killed by other blacks increases to, say, 20,000, you would be satisfied?
     
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    If the defunding happens they way it is discussed and has already happened in a couple of cities in the US, perhaps it will have an effect of the black on black crime as well.
     
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    A baleful effect to be sure.

    If what I predict were to come to pass, would you accept the 10 deaths to save thousands?
     
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    Ding, ding, ding. Not sure how people like Mike12 don't understand the difference. Cops aren't supposed to commit crimes...you know...because their job is to actually UPHOLD the law.
     
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    I'm glad the police protect society from people like Floyd.
     
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    Should we accuse you of not caring about the unarmed people killed last year, who were excluded from the stats you posted here like the people who are asian or white, and the blacks who were not killed by other blacks?

    Or is it possible that you do, but there were not the focus of your post?
     
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    99.1% of cops have ZERO complaints against them. Why would you want to burn down a system that is that effective?

    Do you think you can come up with a system with better results than 99.1%?
     
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    It's not about cops anymore, it's all politics now.
     
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    Never mentioned ANYTHING about "burning down a system". Christ.
    I just merely pointing out the difference between criminals and cops is that cops are paid to uphold the law.
     
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    Yes but your op made it seem as if this is some sort of epidemic that needs to be addressed. And it’s not. The statistics prove it’s not.
     
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    It certainly isn't about the value of life, black or otherwise.
     
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    To YOU it did. But in reality it's not even close to what I actually posted...
    Is my statement correct, yes or no?
     
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    First of all, only 10.. out of 44 million blacks. That is incredibly low number. What about all the cops who save lives and have to go face bad dangerous people when you or i call 911? And the many cops killed by thugs?

    Secondly, so a life taken by those sworn to protect us, especially when it involves a white cop, is more valuable to you than a life taken by another black man? Why is that again? How do you put a higher value on these 10 blacks vs the 7k murdered by others? Your reasoning is as sensible as me saying i only care about a white life when killed by a black cop, just because..

    explain to me why it is not the most virulent form of racism to only care about a black man’s life when ended by a white cop and not give a damn about the vast majority of black lives because their worth is instantly 0 the minute it is known a thug/gang banger ended them?
     
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    I think you all should stop making this about politics and race and just make it about what it is: KNEES ON NECKS. Clearly a knee on the neck is not a safe way to "subdue" people. People shouldn't DIE in the act of being subdued by police. It's 2020, i'm pretty sure we can find another way.
     
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    Why don't you care about all of them?
     
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    I do, i care about every life, unlike those who riot for 10 lives and neglect 7 thousand lives. To me, color is nothing.. it’s a product of melanin determining different pigment. White cop, black cop, white citizen, black citizen.. white on white, black on black, black on white.. should all be the same. Why is that for many, they assign more worth to a life ended by a white cop vs life ended by black murderer? It’s 10 vs 7,000. I care about the 7,000 + 10, you all only care about the 10.
     
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    It isn't about how much I care or don't about one victim or another. It is about justice and injustice.
     
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    What you predict is not reality - at least it isn't the reality of 'defunding'. But if there were no more police whatsoever, I think it would be tragic. And all losses would be tragic.
     
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    No predictions are reality. They are predictions.

    If my prediction comes to pass because of 'defunding' (whatever you mean by that) and Black victims of homicide increase by many thousand each year, would you admit 'defunding' was a big mistake and be willing to accept a handful of wrongful deaths at the hands of the police?
     
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    You say that to you color means nothing and then you go on to discuss this as a matter of color, that confuses me.
    I think we can begin by agreeing on two points:
    Most police do a difficult job in a fair way trying not to overreact and unnecessarily hurt people.
    Most demonstrators are peaceful and are not rioting or looting.

    If that is the case what we logically need to do is find a way to punish those who are rioting, looting, and those killing or using unnecessary force unarmed civilians. It seems to me if we stop those things we have taken a step towards solving our problem. Solving it by using force will hurt a lot of innocent people and deny some people their rights.
     
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    Public Safety Officer Jackson Ryan Winkeler, Florence Regional Airport Department of Public Safety, SC EOW: Sunday, January 5, 2020 Cause: Gunfire

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