The Juneteenth Thread

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  1. arborville

    arborville Well-Known Member

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    Many genres of American music were derived or heavily influenced by black gospel and spirituals from blues, and r & b, to jazz, hip hop and even pop music. I'm not sure why you feel that acknowledging a historical fact is segregating.

     
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    Wow, really?
     
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    arborville Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of gospel roots and freedom songs ...

     
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    arborville Well-Known Member

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    Some zealous activists might get this accomplished but I'm not an advocate for or against it.
     
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    Bill Shitblasio:

    This Year: NYC will lead the way in the nation celebration of the most important day of the year!

    Last year: Junewhat?
     
  6. arborville

    arborville Well-Known Member

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    I explain it to young people by getting them to imagine a world with no internet, social media, television or cell phones. (They need some time to wrap their heads around things like no Twitter or electronic appendages) In addition, there were no planes or automobiles, so it took days and even weeks for people to travel. How were all of the slaves supposed to find out that they were free, instantly. In addition, they couldn't read and their owners weren't going to tell them. So, some of them continued to toil and be exploited until they received the news on the day that we call Juneteenth.
     
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    Being a musician myself, I have the highest respect for talented artists. Segregating music based on race is not something I agree with. You can ask me how I feel about something and I will tell you. Music is the one thing that unites all regardless of race or politics. My opinion doesn't mean that you have to change your view on music.
     
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    True. That doesn't make it "black music".
     
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    Can we stop saying "Juneteenth"? It sounds silly.
     
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    No one said it was black music. We're only acknowledging the origins of said music style.
     
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    It was in the OP. I will happily join you in acknowledging origins and black musicians who have shaped music into what it is today. Perhaps we were in agreement the whole time!
     
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    But it was a gift from our Dear Glorious Leader. We don't refuse those....
     
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    I'm also a musician :)
    But I've not released anything. I mostly create elctronic/synth music with FL Studio Pro.
     
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    Nice. One of my sons makes electronic music. My other son is a rapper! I am more of an analog guy.
     
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    Are you trying to say that President Trump coined the word? I know that isn't true, but inspired to try to find out where it originated from. (Hint: it was before 2016!) I know the day has to do with when the slaves were freed, so am wondering if it comes from the dialect at that time? Kind of like when Biden says y'all when he's attempting to be "southern."
     
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    It came from June 19th, the date that they found out they were free. It was later shortened to Juneteeth. There are other names for the day, as well.

     
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    So did a lot of rock 'n roll...
     
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    Or Jazz, which was also originated by whites, country and especially country swing which Chuck Barry says he listened to and combined with blues to create rock and roll. And then the Great American Music catalog. Oh and give credit to all the white musicians who wrote all the black hits in the 1950's and 1960's.
     
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    So we should negate scientific discoverers because of people who use/enhance their products today?

    I am not qualified to speak for how you feel, but I am certainly qualified - based upon your opinion of music - to call bu!!****. All music has its pioneers. That doesn't mean there aren't greats currently playing that style of music, but they themselves would bow their head at the very mention of the name Willy Brown, right up to Muddy Waters.
     
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    • Myth No. 1: Juneteenth is the nation's oldest celebration of emancipation.
    • Myth No. 2: Juneteenth marks the end of slavery in the United States.
    • Myth No. 3: Former slaves took Juneteenth across the South.
    • Myth No. 4: Texas slaves didn't learn they were freed until 1865.
    • Myth No. 5: African Americans have always celebrated Juneteenth.
    Specifically to No. 4. There were nationwide newspapers during that time and the telegraph, the Emanicipation Proclimation was NATIONAL NEWS even in the Confederacy it was not a secret or unknown in the entire state of Texas or just Galveston

    "Why did news of Lincoln's executive order take so long to reach Texas? One theory is that news traveled so slowly that it took two years for news of the order to arrive. A Bloomberg News article this month said Texas "was the last in the Confederacy to receive word that the Civil War was over and that slavery had been abolished." An NPR story in 2015 said slave owners had kept the news of the proclamation hidden, implying enslaved people in Texas didn't know of the order freeing them.

    In fact, though, Lincoln's administration used the era's innovative technology — the telegraph — to send and receive information about the war. News of the final proclamation was disseminated from the War Department's telegraph office on Jan 1, 1863. Norman-Cox says the proclamation was common knowledge by the time Granger arrived in Galveston. On Jan. 14, 1863, a Houston newspaper reported "the resolution endorsing Lincoln's emancipation proclamation was adopted in the Federal House of Representatives 78 - 51." More than 100 Texas newspapers mentioned the Emancipation Proclamation between 1862 and 1864. The real reason people were still in bondage when Union troops arrived is because of local leaders: The Texas Confederate constitution prohibited manumission. Lincoln's directive was only enforced when federal soldiers got to Texas much later. Houston was emancipated on June 20; Austin wasn't liberated until June 23."
    https://www.newsday.com/opinion/com...rally-myths-tulsa-african-american-1.45861721

    And BTW slavery was STILL LEGAL in the United States when Grainger issued the order in Galveston. So it makes no sense that that particular day would be the day the end of slavery is celebrated. It should be when the 13th Amendment was ratified, Dec. 6th.
     
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    Telegraph signals travel at about the speed of light. And slaves weren't stupid and word of mouth quite free.
     
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    And Trump actually did Tweet when he freed all the slaves as well.... I'm pretty sure he offered many former slaves jobs working the fairways and greens at The Jefferson Davis Club (AKA Jeff-a-Lago), but strangely, they all had to sign NDA's...
     
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    The origins of American "black music" came from a convergence with Irish Celtic music and it's tonality and structure as did country music. The I-IV-V basic structure of blues comes from that.
     
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    Got anything but inane nonsense to add here?
     
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    Right after you assuming all US slaves would quickly know what's flying around on the telegraph wire...

    When faced with that, all bets are off...

    Did it ever occur to you that some slave owners might choose to slow roll that news??
     
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