Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's

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  1. ronv

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    Oh, you are right on that one. It is clear the Trump administration has/is failing us. Had they been on the ball we could have avoided the lockdown completely. And, had they done the lockdown correctly the economy would be on the road to recovery much faster than now.
     
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    Trump's mistake was believing the experts.

    “I’m out of that business, because we all failed at that business. All the early national experts, here’s my projection, here’s my projection model, they were all all wrong, they were all wrong.”

    Projections had far more hospitalizations, intubations and deaths than have occurred so far. In Central New York, a projection two months ago had the virus claiming 2,000 lives in a year under the best scenario (there have been 115 deaths so far).

    “Now, there are a lot of variables, I understand that," Cuomo continued. "We didn’t know what social distancing would actually amount to, I get it. But we were all wrong. So I’m sort of out of the guessing business.”
    SYRACUSE NEWS, Cuomo: NY coronavirus projections ‘all wrong,’ too early to tell if reopening is working, By Douglass Dowty, May 25, 2020.
    https://www.syracuse.com/news/2020/...oo-early-to-tell-if-reopening-is-working.html

    Anyone who still believes the experts is a slow learner.
     
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    A slow learner and a wishful thinker. :)
     
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    Dr. Fauci complains that the people are rejecting science, but he's wrong. The young folks are using science in that they know their risk is very low, and so they are going back to living life again. The young folks know that the Mediocres on the TV are just trying to scare them up.
     
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    The very fact that your example exists is proof the experts were correct. Social distancing worked.
    The increases in cases after is has been lifted is further proof.
     
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    You are confusing correlation with causation, a common error.

    The sun comes up every morning and people are wicked, but that doesn't mean that the sun's rising causes wickedness in humans.
     
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    Hey, a science denier.
    I'd try to convince you using science, but......
     
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    ...but you prefer to ignore science in favor of sophistry and incomplete analysis. Right on Tyrone!
     
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    Fauci and most of the "experts" are either ignorant buffoons or serial liars.

    "A report today in Travel Market Report, a news site for travel advisors, quoted a spokesperson from industry trade group CLIA as saying, “Any action to restrict cruising is unwarranted, and at odds with the World Health Organization which ‘continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.’"
    FORBES, COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy, By Doug Gollan, Mar 9, 2020.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggo...uising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#1265c462d4de
     
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    Convince me.
     
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    The people who have relied on Fake Science during the CCP/DP Wuhan Virus should know by now that they have been misled.

    "The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.

    The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.

    Related: How were medical journals and WHO caught out over hydroxychloroquine?

    The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."

    THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials/ar-BB152Zo4
     
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    Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Revokes Emergency Use Authorization for Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine

    Based on its ongoing analysis of the EUA and emerging scientific data, the FDA determined that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA. Additionally, in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other potential serious side effects, the known and potential benefits of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine no longer outweigh the known and potential risks for the authorized use. This is the statutory standard for issuance of an EUA. The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services originally requested the EUA covering chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, and the FDA granted the EUA on March 28, 2020 based on the science and data available at the time.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...s-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and
     
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    FDA relied on Fake Science. Everyone involved in withholding effective treatment from patients infected with the Wuhan Virus is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings.

    Fake Political Science Kills.

    "The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.

    The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.

    Related: How were medical journals and WHO caught out over hydroxychloroquine?

    The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."
    THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials/ar-BB152Zo
     
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    SAb Biotherapeutics in SD to begin human trials of a COVID-19 antibody treatment using plasma from cows.

    Hey, if something works and politics don't fight it for the election, do it.

    The novel coronavirus has been kicking science's arse so far.
     
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    Meanwhile, on Wednesday, researchers reported the results of the first gold-standard clinical trial of hydroxycholoroquine in Covid-19, concluding that it did not prevent infections any better than placebo.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03...n-in-people-who-have-been-exposed-study-says/

    You can now buy a Trump ventilator for $50 and they will throw in 10,000 doses of hdroxy.
     
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    Which is not responsive to anything in my posts. HCQ has not been prescribed "prevent-covid-19-infection".
     
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    So why was spanky taking it?


    “Today’s request to revoke is based on new information, including clinical trial data results, that have led BARDA to conclude that this drug may not be effective to treat [Covid-19] and that the drug’s potential benefits for such use do not outweigh its known and potential risks,” wrote Denise Hinton, the FDA’s chief scientist.
     
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    You are relying on the same Fake Science and Fake News that Lancet has had to retract.

    "Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September. Early outpatient illness is very different than later hospitalized florid disease and the treatments differ. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease.

    Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe."

    AMERICAN JOURNAL OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis, By Harvey A Risch, American Journal of Epidemiology, kwaa093, https://doi.org/10.1093/aje/kwaa093, Published: 27 May 2020. (Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.)
    https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

    Everyone involved in the decision to withhold the only effective treatment for the Wuhan Virus should have to account for their actions before grand juries.
     
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    Start with the FDA.
     
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    Clearly.
     
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    Pretty soon it's going to be just you and Captain Bone Spurs.
     
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    Washington's Deep State team really needs a pep talk, and your just the guy to give it them.
    Remember to wear your mask. ;-)

     
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    That’s not a lot different that claiming that Bush was a victim of “the experts” in going to war with Iraq.
    Those were HIS experts doing his bidding
     
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    Good point, but where the Bushes were part of the corrupt bipartisan ruling class Trump is a jagged bone stuck in the political establishment's throat.
    Given the unity of the Deep State's opposition and its MSM Trump did not have the political capital to defy the experts until they discredited themselves.
     
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    You seem to have missed the point of the post you both agreed with and quoted

    The experts you are whining about were TRUMP'S experts doing HIS bidding
     

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