Sweden'S Cronovirus Strategy Will Soon be the World's

There you go again. Dissing your own experts when they admit they were wrong.

"The professor whose grim warning that 500,000 Brits may die from Covid-19 without action triggered lockdown has admitted Sweden may have suppressed its outbreak as well as Britain - without imposing the draconian measures."
THE DAILY MAIL, Neil Ferguson whose grim warnings prompted Boris Johnson to order TOTAL LOCKDOWN admits Sweden may have suppressed Covid-19 to the same level but WITHOUT draconian measures,
Professor admitted there is lessons to be learned from Sweden moving forward
Sweden dodged major crisis without locking down and seeing economy implode,
Professor Ferguson's team predicted staggering amount of UK deaths in March
Modelling thought to have single-handedly shocked UK into imposing lockdown,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Ferguson-admits-greatest-respect-Sweden.html

 

I'm not particularly impressed by numbers of "new" deaths.

Death counts get affected by factors such as how well hospitals are supplied with beds and needed equipment, how efficiently cases are found and hospitalized, and perhaps most notably by the rules by which it is decided why someone died. Also, death obviously doesn't encompass the lasting damage to the bodies of survivors.

Death is not a measure of how successful SARS is at spreading through a population or how resilient some population might be against contracting this disease.

Sweden has not cused their new case count to decrease by any apappreciable amount. They kept their new cases count pretty much flat, maybe decreasing by a tiney amount since the beginning of March, but since the beginning of last month their new case counts hav shown fairly constant and significant of increase.

Nobody can call Sweden a success at present.

There is NO reason to believe we or Britain should do what Sweden is doing - whatever it might be.

Maybe someone can show how it is that Sweden records a death count that isn't rising like its new case count, but that isn't what was being claimed in what I rsponded to. And as I pointed out the numbers game is susceptible to a variety of factors.

 

Well, whether you're "impressed" by the number or deaths or not, that's the only number that really counts for some of the rest of us watching the numbers. If 1 million people got the virus, but no one died, then what'cha counting?

Case counts can increase for a host of reasons, like increased testing or bars reopening increasing the number of cases among 20-30 year olds. If hospitalizations and deaths are decreasing while cases increase, then so what? We're protecting the elderly and maintaining plenty of hospital capacity.

 

~ Well you know those Swedes - always making love to each other with no masks ...!!
No wonder they have more infection than the U.K.
The British are not so affectionate. They tend to be a bit stuffy towards each other.
" Better alone in bed than dead. "

 

Why are you not comparing Sweden with Norway or Finland which have practically identical Demographics and location?

 

I saw a graph in another thread that by the beginning of June, Sweden had effectively brought the amount of cases down 1,500 people and now is at nearly under 1,000 cases from when it spiked in late May. Our government needs to learn to the Swedes. Their strategy was risky, but effective but I don't think you will ever get any lockdown advocates touting "public safety" on this forum to admit Sweden did it right.

 

I was replying to someone else's post who compared Sweden and UK. Ask them why maybe.

 

Censored.

In all cases, censorship shows that the censor has something to fear from the writings they censor.

Is that so difficult to understand?

That you must here defend censorship tells me all I need to know about you.

Whistleblowers are sent to prison by the criminal bastards who run the government, but that simple fact seems to elude you.

 

A whole lot of herd immunity experts in this thread, mainly republicans.

I have two questions;

1. What percentage of Sweden’s population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity?

2. Today, what is Sweden’s percentage of immunity?

Let’s put the facts on the table.

 

Answer to Question # 1; The lowest percentage that would please the Republicans is 60%.

Now, what’s the Answer to Question # 2?

10 hours ago, headline;

Achieving herd immunity is going surprisingly slow for Sweden.......

The 14% of those surveyed is from 2 or 3 weeks ago, meaning that immunity levels are higher today.

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Now, the question is; How much higher?

 

Well, on May 21st, Stockholm’s immunity percentage was at 7.3%.

Note; Stockholm....Sweden’s most affected region.

Sweden’s immunity timeline

May 21st; 7.3%
June 1st; 14% (2 or 3 weeks ago)

Let’s assume plus 7% every 10 days

June 11th; 21%
June 21st; 28%
July 1st; 35%
July 11th; 42%
July 21st; 49%
Aug 1st; 56%
Aug 11th; 63%.....Herd immunity

Agree or disagree?

 

Ther is NO element of censorship in this case.

EVERYTHING is available to read - just like YOu did! Only, you just read one side.

 

Stockholm is not Sweden.

54,000 cases in a population of 20 million.

What's 63% of 20 million?

 

Psst; I was setting THEM up.

 

That you have to insert politics into what should be a scientific discussion makes your motives and your understanding suspect.

As to the questions, nobody really knows the answer to the first, and likely the answer to the second has not been calculated.

 

That is an inaccurate statement you make.

I am personally aware of 6 or 7 YouTube pieces that were taken down, as I watched them, then emailed the link to friends who said the piece had been taken down. It's probably closer to a dozen.

Censorship demonstrates that the official narrative is being threatened by the truth.

 

Paul7’s Opening Post, May 16, 2020

“THEY may have herd immunity THIS MONTH.......(May)”

MY QUESTIONS

1. What percentage of Sweden’s population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity?

2. Today, what is Sweden’s percentage of immunity?

YOUR RESPONSES;

1. Nobody really knows

2. Has not been calculated

I agree, however, the ones who said; “Sweden may have herd immunity this month (May)”, are definitely not critical thinkers, thus, have not ask themselves questions.

There’s a box on the table, dimensions; W25”, L25”, D20”, paper wrapped. Guess what’s in the box?




















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Would Sweden’s Covid19’s strategy effectively work in the U.S.?........that’s a damn good critical thinking question.

 

Of course it would! However, is + 1 million Covid19 deaths, a re-election death toll? Absolutely not!

 

Absolutely not, due to the fact, at less than 100K, Republicans were complaining about CDC’s guidelines for certifying Covid19 deaths.

 

Death is NOT the only lasting negative health effect on those who become infected.

There are other serious health ramifications.

I don't know any other case where we ignore lasting health ramifications for the sole reason that they didn't actually cause death.

That's not censorship.

It's one commercial outlet cleaning up the crap.

There is NO agency that is blocking your liar from publishing books, writing columns, etc.

For example, YOU found out about this pathetic individual - and have probably even paid her money!!

 

Most infections are mild and don't cause lasting damage. There are other diseases which cause lasting damage, if the patient survives. We don't shut down the economy and destroy businesses and jobs because of that.

 

OK, then try making a case on that basis.

Point out how the CDC is wrong about communicable disease in general and this SARS strain in particular. Maybe you can teach them something.

 

You can't make a decent comparison between Sweden and the UK.
Sweden's largest city is only about a million people.
They have automatic social distancing.
Compare them to their neighbors of similar size.
Netherlands cases 2878 / million- 355 deaths per million
Norway 1607, 45
Denmark 2131, 104
Finland 1289, 59
Sweden 5550, 500.
Then of course look at the curves. Sweden is still going up, while the others have been going down. So once the dust settles Sweden will have a lot more dead.

 

Number of cases do not equal number of dead(even I know this is a mathematical fallacy), it's actually more better to look at the percentage of deaths.(IE: The death rate). If Sweden's death rate turns out to be at or below the world average for the virus, then the strategy would be a success.