Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m

CTRL-F NOT FOUND: “PROTEST.” There’s not one reason California’s covid-19 cases are soaring—there are many.

The story does mention that “people are becoming cavalier,” but doesn’t mention that one reason why people are becoming cavalier is that all the stern “public health experts” told us it was just hunky dory to turn out en masse in support of the right cause. That led to people taking the disease less seriously, which was a perfectly rational thing to do given the “experts'” behavior.

Plus: “Part of what’s driving the soaring case loads in Imperial County is the influx of positive patients from Mexico.”

 

No. if you die in a car accident and you have covid-19 it is not a causal factor.

 

Show me the number of flu tests administered in a year. If you can't do that I will simply dismiss your claims.

 

Ehm ...

 

Wrong. Completely wrong.

Percentage wise (deaths per million population), USA is currently 9th worst in the world.

And likely to continue to move up the chart, because some of the worst-affected countries like France, Italy and Spain implemented strong and long lockdowns - and now their death rates have dropped to near zero. Not quite zero, but those countries have seen a significant improvement in death rates.

Look at the charts on Worldometer and explain how you think America is doing better than other countries.

 

Um ... no ... please change your perspective on the matter.

Every healthcare system in every country has its capacity and exposure limit ... in one country it is higher than in another country, which has and can have various reasons, which I will not go into further now because it is only about the existing limit itself.
This limit means, for example, the number of hospitals per se and how much they cover health care across all areas and populations. Likewise the number of nurses and doctors and also the number of ICU beds etc.

Each hospital therefore only has a certain number of ICU beds and appropriately trained ICU nursing staff ... and they are scarce in every real epidemic / pandemic, or the staff cannot work 24/7, or are at higher risk of infection , which can make it sick and fail.
The aim of all measures such as lockdown, wearing masks, social distancing etc. is therefore to minimize the number of people infected so that the health system does not reach its limit ... because then it becomes bad and evil for the whole Population!
In addition to all the other people with all sorts of other diseases, injuries and accident victims, etc., all the additional sufferers come from the pandemic ... and then 30 people with the pandemic virus, serious injuries and other diseases are quickly there for the only 15 existing ICU beds in the hospital ... and the other hospitals do not look any better (redistribution of the patients to other hospitals = not really possible) ... and then what?

Then staff and doctors have to start playing God and decide who gets an ICU bed and has greater chances of survival and who doesn't get one and is more likely to die. Who would want to have such a situation and shrug their shoulders seriously with a normal functioning brain?

But right this happened in parts in the USA and some hotspots, it happened also in other heavy affected countries like UK, Italy and Spain in parts ... in poorer countries like Brazil it is even a tollhouse!

And another thing ... since it is often taken as an example:

For the so-called Spanish flu at the end of WW-1 (around the end of 1917 to mid-1920) there are no exact figures for various reasons ... e.g. such numbers were top secret among the European war participants until the end of the war. Incidentally, the name Spanish flu is misleading and comes from the fact that the disease was first publicly reported in neutral Spain without war-related censorship. However, almost all scientists now assume that the virus actually comes from the USA and came to Europe with the entry into the war and the massive transfer of troops.
Reliable estimates + proven numbers say that approximately 500 - 600 million people were infected, which was about 1/3 of the world's population with only 1.8 billion people at the time.
About 10% of them died ... about 50 million people ... more than there were war-related deaths in WW-1!
BUT MORE IMPORTANT ... all within good 2 to 3 years.


And what about Corona?
First news came End of last year, starting in China as all know ... so since about a good half year / 6 month now we have nearly 10.5 Million CONFIRMED infected and and about 510 thousand CONFIRMED death worldwide = 5% ... + unkown figures of uncomfirmed cases and the claim of Trump that Chinese figures are much higher as those confirmed... as well as well as the suspicion that there is a large number of unreported cases in the USA due to a lack of comprehensive tests ... especially when the outbreak occurred in the USA in the first weeks.

 

????????????

 

um ... can I read it, what you sent me as link? Look on the screenshot!

And a ROFL about the reason named why I can't

 

Foolish censorship from Europe. If you want to see what I posted take it up with your Stalinist leaders.

 

O ... foolish censorship from Europe?

Well ... wasn't it Trump who wants to implement censorship against fake news and all the communist hating right winger Trumponians cheer him for it?
But I still laugh that his proposal and intention here, still bites the master of fake news in the butt at Twitter and Facebook...

Well ... I have no idea wich European EU rules are violeted as they tell ... but honestly I a happy with the situation in my country in this matter and laugh about your so called BS freedom of speech you clam to have in the USA which allowed even crimes like hate speech and other BS. And the best is ... we are not communist ... but I know, for hardcore right trolls and cold war dinos in the USA is everything what even has the term social is direct suspicious to be socialist and this tells all about.

 

Covid-19 causes vascular problems that can result in strokes or heart attack.

If your wreck is caused by losing control due to a heart attack induced by covid-19, was covid-19 a causal factor?

 

@Spim already did it in post #200. I call 35-40 million tests per year in the US alone "very common."

 

This has been covered twice.

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/pa...-options-under-pressure-compete-walgreens-cvs

 

It came from China, and China hid the severity and numbers from the world. Denial of that reality appears rampant in third world backwaters because they are so beholden to Chinese trade and money they must defend their commie overlords...

 

What ifs aren't good arguments.

 

So how many covid-19 tests have been administered?

 

Refusing to answer a fairly simplistic hypothetical is a poor argument.

 

About 34 million.

 

I'm not interested in the hypothetical.

 

So if we take out the 25% deaths counted as covid-19 improperly counted then it kind of looks like a good bad flu season.

 

You literally raised the hypothetical of a person counted as a covid-19 death despite dying in a car wreck.

 

You have zero proof that 25% of deaths are being improperly counted as covid-19 deaths, but I can provide proof that we are drastically undercounting.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

Also, no, if you reduced 125,000 by 25%, then you still get approximately 50% more than the single worst flu year of the last decade.

 

Pardon me, I'm not at interested in the hypothetically far-fetched.

 

I know there are deaths being falsely attributed to COVID, but do you really think it's 25%?

 

If a person has a heart attack from the vascular damage caused by covid-19 while driving and the car wreck kills them, then it is the exact opposite of far fetched to claim that person as a covid-19 death.