The Confederate battle flag

I wasn't referring to the post with the insult either

 

Not trying to stick my nose in, but I think you're missing something.

Some people simply see "the South" in Confederate flag imagery. Not the historical South; not even the modern South. Just the South.

Statues should be preserved, but in museums, not the public square. I should have specifically mentioned flags when I said the symbolism should represent all people.

I agree with you on the hysteria, lawlessness and vandalism. It will subside and the question will be, how we then deal with the issue. Hopefully, we can develop a sane and cooperative approach.

 

I stated what I meant by trolling, and you said last time that you agreed with my position on this. Funny how that changed.

 

You "disproved" what? Are you contesting it was to be a term of one six years long? You can "specify" whatever you want, dont insult me, I dont insult you. Here, now you have learned something...


Jefferson Davis elected Confederate president - HISTORY
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On November 6, Davis was elected to a six-year term as established by the Confederate constitution. He remained president until May 5, 1865, when the ...

 

I agree 100%. Most people who wave the flag have no interest in or knowledge of the actual Confederacy.

 

"One of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery." --
Nikole Hannah-Jones, 1619 Project, which won the Pulitzer Prize

 

Well.... if anybody in those photos is here, let them speak up and tell us their side of the story.

Maybe not for "everyone". Only for Americans who know why there was a Civil War.

 

Nope. You just won't hear me use the word "race" Except maybe colloquially.

 

It is simpleminded historical revisionism to explain away the founding of the CSA as simply for the preservation of slavery. Yes, the preservation of slavery catalyzed its creation, but it was simply a factor. It may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, but one straw did not break the camel's back. There was a history of cultural regionalistic divide between North and South. One example would be the Jeffersonian stance against the Hamiltonian idea of debt assumption.

 

This isn't a vote. It's what the flag represents.

 

Nope. It's an expression of ideas. But that was not the relevant part of the part of my post you quoted. So I take that to mean that you accept the rest.

Ok. so your only argument is denying history.

The problem is that the rest of Americans and, most notably, black people...do not ignore history. So the fact that your position is simple denial is not the worst part about it. The worst part is that it's useless.

 

I don't know.... but the best part about CHAZ was seeing Trump's' toupee stand on end in horror. So it was not all bad.

 

Don't dance. You said there is no different race therefore there can be no such thing as racism or racial bias.

 

Does the US Flag represent genocide and conquest or is that "different"?

 

It's also morally lazy to disregard the effect of its symbolism on our citizens with a bunch of sophist nitpicking.

 

Lol...Yeah, we didn't lose the civil war. We didn't stand up every morning in school to pledge allegiance to a rebel traitor flag.
You people need to get over it and move on. Stuff the secessionist claptrap and act like Americans instead of disgruntled spoilsports with axes to grind.
You don't see the Germans going around whining about not being able to sport swastikas.

 

And yet you did not answer my question. And yes "you people" do need to get over it, it's a flag.

 

False equivalence, so yes, it's different.

The US flag represents secession from England because we didn't want a king. The Confederate flag represents secession from the US because they didn't want to end slavery.

 

No it's not, genocide and conquest are as intrinsically tied to it's history as slavery is to the other flag. It's another historical fact.

 

Every afternoon after school. And starting at 4 a.m. on Sunday mornings. Did that for about a year. It's how I got my first record player and the best Beatles collection anybody had ever seen.

 

If by "simpleminded" you mean "actually read what they said." Why is that concept so offensive to revisionists?

 

It is entirely possible that some were concerned only with the "right" to own another human being, whereas others were not.

Being "personally" opposed to something is really inconsequential.

Just how many politicians, for instance, have proclaimed that they are "personally" opposed to convenience abortions--yet still wish to advance the pro-abortion agenda?

It is truly amazing to me just how many people have a visceral dislike for the South.

It is often disguised as a mere dislike for the antebellum South, complete with its "peculiar institution"; but it is really a strong dislike for the contemporary South, as well.

Perhaps is it because the South may reasonably be expected to vote for Republican--which is to say, conservative--candidates; with the exceptions of Virginia (which is a purple state, trending blue--thanks in large part to Northern Virginia, around Washington, DC) and Florida (which is also purple).

This has been properly dealt with above (in the very first part of this post).

 

Slavery at first. Then it faded, and was resuscitated in the late 1940s by the "Dixiecrats" as a symbol of support for segregation and racial discrimination.

It's so sad that our education system has been so lousy compared to other countries and that students don't get to learn their own history.

 

That's as idiotic as saying that UFOs must exist or there wouldn't be any ufologists.

 

Please feel free to elucidate.