Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

That was never the goal of Obama Care. The goal was to provide afordable care to low income people that could not afford conventional insurance. It did that.

It had no effect on the cost trajectory of insurance.

Obama Care marched on after that. Now Trump wants to kill it.
But that's okay with me. Biden can use the votes because people like Obama Care and it will help Biden pass Medicare for those that want it.

 

You didn't study the decision, did you?

 

Because lots of people couldn't afford it otherwise.

It's basically a shitty Republican plan after all. The idea is to require us all to have insurance and then throw money at the insurance companies so they can re-throw it at those who can't afford to help make the insurance cos even richer still. Trump would actually be right to "repeal and replace" it with the single payer system the Republicans spent the last 20 years blocking, but only the most addicted Trump acolytes think for even a minute that he ever meant to replace anything with anything beyond a graveyard if you got sick.

 

fair enough your rates mightily increase by 1% a year 1% increase on $450 a month is more than a 2% increase a year on $140 a month.

yes it should be completely repealed. If it wasn't there it's prices wouldn't shoot up.

Stupid enough not to understand what a disaster unaffordable Care act is.

But it doesn't matter as long as you are taking care of right.

 

Will we have all of history but that's not true right.

Lol

Denial of reality is less competent.

 

How? It's practically a copy of Romneycare

 

Yes so just stakmore taxes on the already overburdened tax payer so you can get your free s***.

F*** the rest of the world as long as you're taking care of, it's such a common Boomer viewpoint I would be surprised if the people your age didn't share it.

 

LOL

Just when I thunk you kids can't get any more pathetic, And, you don't seem to understand what federalism is.

 

Yeah, we already had a mechanism for that,

So according to you the Affordable Care Act was not about being affordable, the main complaint then and now. It was simply just there to make sure more people couldn't afford it unless the federal government paid for it. And it is somehow Trump's fault.

 

It was about making insurance affordable for people that could not afford it before. It did that.
Trying to stop that is Trump's fault.

 

No that's a total lie. If it was affordable then those people would be able to afford it. Instead others were forced to pay for it. the ACA was just a another wealth redistribution program that they were able to get the SCOTUS to support through lies.

 

I guess you don't know how subsidies work. They help people in need. You know like the farmers Trump screwed with tariffs.

 

LOL

I know how they work. All the ACA did is make unaffordable coverage available to more people by forcing others to pay for it. Brilliant.

 

That's the nature of taxes, to promote the public good. You are looking at taxes as if you have an account with the IRS with your name on it, and someone takes money from that account and gives it to someone else 'who didn't work for it'.

Only a moron looks at taxes that way. Taxes are spent based on policies made by elected officials. Elected officials, get it?

If you don't like it, vote them out of office.

 

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good too. Much better than the tariffs.

 

I have it, and it's affordable. You are uninformed. Everyone is forced to pay taxes for things they don't like, no one is excluded from that club. That has always been true, since taxes were initiated. You are not the only one, I'm one, too. THAT IS THE NATURE OF TAXES.

Get over it.

 

Romneycare is Obamacare in one state. That's the only real difference

 

yeah, federalism. Look it up, sunshine. Learn something.

 

What mechanism was that?

 

I asked you if you would pay for a fire truck if your house was on fire ?

You said "you paid your taxes".

Well, so did I. I was self employed most of my life.

You might need a fire truck some day,

I needed health care some day, and that day came.

We both paid our taxes. So what is the difference?

It is no different. Government has a valid role to play in some areas.

So what part of my 92 year old mother's $800 social security and medicare would you like for her to return to the US Treasury?

Hmmmm ?

I meet dumb people every day of the week, and, unfortunately, America has more of them per square mile than most countries and there is no cure.

Ayn Rand bitched about the same thing all of her life when she came to America, then one day, she needed government assistance, and she took it. That makes her a hypocrite. NOT for accepting it, but for 'objectivist philosophy' which rejects government assistence, and after all that, she turns around and takes it when she needs it. Well, that's the only time people take it, when they are in need

You'd better pray that doesn't happen to you, that the day comes when you might need assistance, and you'd better not accept it, otherwise you will be a first class quintessential text book example of a hypocrite.

You'd rather see people who need care not get it, and suffer.

 

Federalism or not it was still a shitty Republican plan that really couldn't work. A kicking of the can down the street until the American people finally get fed up enough with making the Unsurance Cos even richer to finally pass Single Payer like a real country

 

LOL

Federalism isn't the problem. Government run healthcare is.

 

How is private run going to be any better? Particularly, how will it be any cheaper and better able to provide care to people who need it?

 

Premiums rose faster prior to the ACA. That's a fact, so you are wrong.

The state of health care before the ACA was a disaster, not after.

Yes, maybe that is why it's called the Affordable Care Act. How long did take you to figure that one out?
It's affordable for everyone who subscribes to it. The entire reason it was put into existence.

Everyone young will be old, someday. The way to make it less expensive for everyone is for everyone to chip in. That's the nature of a collective effort. Taxes are a collective effort, they always have been.

You'll need to stop using ad hominems, it's rude, and it doesn't support an argument, but it does diminish your credibility.

No, it matters that everyone who needs it is taken care off. You don't want people to have affordable health care who would not otherwise afford it, you want them to suffer.

That says a lot about you.

 

Federalism is government of layers, the federal, the state, the city, etc. THAT is federalism, and IT IS GOVERNMENT.

Besides, the ACA is not 'government run health care' there's a difference between administering a government sponsored program and running it.

My plan is healthnet, administered by the ACA, but privately run. See the difference? Are you intelligent?

My clinic, and all the referrals I've gotten thus far, were from private clinics. The ACA consists of private HMOs, etc.

Not once did I set foot in a Government run hospital, but I did when I was in the navy, and the naval hospital, run by the government, was par none.

You are not making sense.

Do you have a problem with the Naval Hospital, which, by the way, is government run and par none?

Do you have a problem with the many fire departments, which are government run?

Do you have a problem with Air Traffic Control system, which is government run?

I'll continue, if you want.

See, you are not being logical. You just hate to see people get health care who can't afford it, you want them to suffer.