Canada crushing the curve while US cases Soar

Why are we so inept at getting this thing under control while other nations manage to get this thing under control ?

Is US society more susceptible to Corona than in other nations ?

 

Yeah. U.S. society can't keep their **** together. Clearly.

 

Canada still accepting unhappy American immigrants?

 

Real question is why.

Hint: It doesn't have anything to do with Trump.

Ever notice in the statistics the US tends to behave more like Mexico and South Africa, then say, Europe or Canada?

 

Canada stopped testing and their cases are still going up.

 

According to their Before and After debt clock, cost of crushing down the curve; approx. $250 billion, thus, based on U.S./Canada 10 - 1 population ratio, approx. $2.5 trillion.

What’s our current cost?

 

It will go up and down until there’s a vaccine, however, are they more efficient at extinguishing embers than we are?

Also, in reference to social distancing measures, and wearing masks, looks like the Canucks are unified.

Last, their most conservative politician publicly thanked that sexy buttocks liberal politician who was also Canada’s new NAFTA chief negotiator, and back then, Trump once said; “I don’t like her”....because she was very demanding.

 

I think it's 4.5 trillion with another 3 trillion lurking in the wings.

 

The number of cases is directly proportional to the amount of tests done. Canada has stopped testing much.

 

Absolutely false!

Definition of “directly proportional”......As one amount increases, another amount increase at the same rate

Rationale; In the U.S., from mid April to May 25th, we’ve significantly increased testing, and in the same period, our number of daily cases significantly decreased.

Conclusion; Your “directly proportional” assertion is very Trumpish.

 

The OP poses a great question - why can't the US get control of this thing? Sure, people will blame protesters, but we need to look a little deeper. Every country that shut down had the same economic worries - people all over the world wanted to get back to earning. But they stuck it out. And now, they are on more solid footing and beginning to get back to 'normal'. Unfortunately, here in the US, there are actual discussions about personal rights and freedoms when it comes to wearing a mask! We aren't talking about guns, here, we are talking about a piece of cloth on your face to protect those around you. How in the world can we get this virus under control if we focus on politics rather than the virus itself?

 

It’s very simple....

Nation first over individual rights/needs.

Thus, for the common good, everyone must make an effort to stop the spread.

 

That's why I just about gag when some rightie screams this is the "World's Greatest country"...

One quarter of deaths worldwide are in America....one quarter...

 

I must admit being perplexed by this. We closed restaurants bars and went into lockdown like other nations. Masks are not the reason for this - there many places where folks did not mask up but managed to flatten the curve.

 

That's not true at all.

I live in a city of 60,000 people in Quebec.

We have a testing centre where over a hundred people pass through every day.

Half of the people I meet on the street wear masks, the containment has been scrupulously respected by the population and the government has provided emergency assistance to businesses.

That is why, unlike you, we are not in trouble today.

 

I think we re opened too soon. And without the masks, the virus spread greedily. But I'd be interested in knowing your reasoning for the spike.

 

An American "lockdown" was different, from the other nations's locking down in that those other nations were more strigent, and it was less alienable to them to have a centralized government response then to us as Americans. Which is why it's ever so laughable when they say "Why didn't Trump do more"?

Do people want the answer to that? Really? Because it's going to be really uncomfortable to hear. Remember those 3 years into Russia-gate? Yeah, those years. Remember how they tried to convince everyone and the moon that he's an illegitimate President?

That's coming back to bite us now. If he's such an illegitimate President, who's going to listen to him? If people are "resisting" him in the West wing, what does that make of his authority? While Republicans disagreed with Obama, they did not go out of their way to damage his standing with the nation or the world.(Sometimes, he did that on his own as his domestic policies were far worse than his foreign policies, pre-Arab Spring)

But it's not just limited to damaging his perception, it also damaged congressional perception. Any perception of working with this guy, is working with the American Hitler. Nancy Pelosi said it so herself, she boxed her entire House in a position where it cannot work with the commander in chief, and especially now at a time of the pandemic.

So when Trump took(what I can agree) were limited preemptive actions to bar Chinese nationals from entering, he was deemed racist. What would have happened if Trump had banned the European Union? Impeachment 2.0?(or 3.0?)

Trump is a man who(rightly or wrongly) is guided by public perception, and that perception of his power had been immensely weakened. The more actions he took, the more scrutiny he invited.

We're eating the crow from everything that happened at the beginning of this term, where those who claimed they would give the "space to lead" actually pulled the carpet under his feet. Even if he's a one term President, the mistakes made against an administration will not be fixed by the Biden Administration.

 

In addition to the above, Trump was absolutely right when he made the following declarations;

1. “We’re at war with an invisible enemy”

2. “America’s nurses are waging a heroic war against an invisible enemy”

3. “The people of the United States are in a war against an invisible enemy”

Simply put, We’re at war!.....and historically, wars have often been hard on civil liberties.

In other words, for the common good, wear a mask, keep your distance, and stop whining.

In other words, ask yourself what you can do for your country.

 

Je parler un petipeu Francais......En France, jai rester a lauberge, et lauberge napa de beure de peanut.

 

Masks have some ability to lessen the spread - but, they are not all that great. Remember that virus's are so small - that they go through the pores in the mask. So the direct person to person transfer is lessened that way - as the radius is decreased .. with me so far ?

but - someone who is positive - mask or no mask - is spreading the virus - through the air -.. through surfaces. So masks will decrease - but not by the as much as most people think.

Masks Help - "we don't know to what extent" - heard the other day in the media - touting proposed legislation to make masks mandatory in all enclosed public spaces.

The problem with such legislation however is that this means we are still in lockdown mode .. and it is one or the other - you either want to go full bore - or don't bother.

the problem with half measures - is that they prolong the time of the lockdown - and the longer we are in lockdown mode - the bigger the economic Tsunami that is coming will be.

The problem here is that at some point the economic disruption will cause more death than corona. So we are kind of on borrowed time in this respect.

I do not have a good hypothesis for the discrepancy - which is why I created the OP .. I admit to being perplexed by this one.

 

Agree that Trump had no bearing on the issue of any significance. Post 21 gives some of where I am at on this.

 

How is mask legislation equated to lockdown mode. In fact, I believe it to be just the opposite. We are able to leave our homes, go back to work and pump money back into the economy if we take measures to REDUCE the risk of transference through mask wearing.

 

I think so as well. When you look at Europe they didn't open until they were around 1% positives. This meant the numbers were low enough to trace outbreaks.

The US on the other hand opened around 5%.
Even then we didn't have enough tests.
Arizona is a good example of what not to do.

Opened at about 7 1/2 percent and even now only have about 1500 contact tracers.
I was exposed 10 days ago. Still no call.

 

I posted the below quote the middle of June. I think it’s playing out in the “hot” states—hot weather and hot rates of new cases. I believe it’s significantly due to being indoors with air conditioning.

 

I have flown a lot and airplanes are a good way to catch a bug. Ventilation is definitely a weak link in the chain.

Heat is supposed to be bad for Corona - and this may well be the case - and it is the ventilation that is the issue - but, then we would expect colder areas to be bad due to being indoor more often and in ventilated areas. So there must be more to it than this.