Legal Docs: St. Louis Prosecutor Tampered With Evidence In McCloskey Gun Case

Please show me where I have ever stated them having guns on their own property is a crime. Maybe the divide between us is a reading comprehension issue? Or just a strawman?

The crime is pointing a weapon

The prosecutors office isn’t the law now. Who knew? I guess when you play hard and fast with words that makes sense.

Let’s see how the charges play out, shall we?

 

At the first site of the gate in the video they are already walking through it. Wanna tell me how you know it was unlocked since them opening the gate isn't on video? There's also pictures of the gate destroyed afterwards.

The mob is the threat. That's not debatable. You saying they weren't threatened is 100% false. That mob is way too large to not be perceived as a threat. She also was armed (with what she probably thought was a working gun) and that's why she felt she could act in the manner she did. You think she would've walked towards them with no gun? She absolutely did feel threatened which is why she had her gun.

 

Seeing that they are walking through an undamaged gate a reasonable person could conclude it was unlocked as you typically need a gate to be unlocked to easily walk through it. Maybe it is different in your part of the world?

So large groups are now threatening by their very existence. Interestingly low bar you have set for someone to be fearful of their life. I also wouldn’t exit my home and approach people that I am fearful of. I would have also called the police.

But again, maybe that is different in your part of the world.

 

Good grief how many times have you criticized them for 'bringing guns into the situation'? Multiple times. So I or someone else has to continually point out that it is not illegal to do that. Now your flip flopping to 'pointing a weapon'.

And when you are threatened you can point your gun. Glad we got that cleared up.

He came out first and never pointed his weapon at anybody. When she came out, can you prove that the mob hadn't made any threats at all? You can't, I don't care what you heard on one person's video, you didn't hear everything.

And yes, lets see how the charges play out when it's already been shown that they had to tamper with evidence in order to bring those charges against them.

 

There needs to be some arrests by the Federal Government on:

• The Police that confiscated those guns without a law being broken - the broke the law and their oath.
  
• The Prosecutor for charging politically
• The evidence tampering team

The couple had used that gun as a legal prop for a case and knew it was inoperable. The DA's office also knew and still charged the couple and then tampered with the evidence. That DA needs to spend a year in jail and be stripped of the ability to practice law. This is Authoritarian ****. This is tyranny used by those in power to attack those they politically disagree with. Examples need to be made.

 

No, a reasonable person realizes that the video didn't show how the gate was opened. That it was still on it's hinges does not mean it was unlocked.

Large mobs are threatening when they break into private property and act in a threatening manner.

Also, you can stop acting like because you would've behaved differently, that it makes how these people reacted wrong. Your opinion of what they should've done is irrelevant. This is exactly like people acting like zimmerman following martin somehow made him guilty when it was perfectly legal to do so.

 

All true. My only question would be are those federal issues? Or should local police make these arrests?

 

Yeah - how best to put it?

Anyway:

This is what makes it so odd when I see people defending the mob. These are already not peaceful protesters. They've broken into a gated neighborhood. They are a threat. Yet apparently the prosecutor and the crime lab want these guys busted so bad they're gonna tamper with the evidence to get these BLM supporters busted. That's why I'm not so sure she really thought it was a working gun - I don't think they actually wanted to kill them even in self-defense because in their minds, even though they were a threat, they still agree that these guys SHOULD be allowed to terrorize anyone they want - just not on their own lawn. Basic Limousine Liberal types.

Now BTW don't get me wrong, I find it somewhat humorous that these guys who support BLM are about to be hoist on a PC petard by their own LW pet project. My issue is the idiot that decided that altering the evidence is hunky-dory. You get video of some guy waving a gun, take the gun and alter it, the defense is gonna have a field day with that no matter what video they have.

 

it was not a prop, she pointed a loaded .22 with a limp wrist.

the aim was off and it did not have stopping power, but it was still a threat.

 

You stated “them having their guns on their own property is NOT A CRIME”, please quote where I have stated otherwise or retract your false statement.

Yes, she was obviously terrified, thats why she didn’t call police, exited her her home and approached the “violent mob”. I could see the terror in her face!

When one side presents video evidence the other is free to do so to counter that evidence. You are making excuses now. Prove they made a threat prior to brandishing of weapons from the couple.

One of the charges will have to be removed, correct. Seeing that they are being faced with numerous charges each...

 

In event, they have nothing to worry about as far as facing sanctions:

Missouri Republican Attorney General Eric Schmitt formally requested the case be dismissed and the state’s Republican Gov. Mike Parson has pledged to grant them a pardon if they are convicted by the activist prosecutor.

And, they seem to have parlayed this into a nice future as darlings of the Gun Lobby.

 

It was a prop for a court case. The firing pin was in backwards on purpose rending it unable to fire.

 

It's Federal as the local police broke the law themselves and on purpose. It's Federal as the local DA broke the law. It's Federal as the local crime lab broke the law. We cannot trust them to deliver justice to themselves.

 

So they picked the lock maybe? Or maybe they froze the lock and broke it!
Or did they scale the fence? Surely you have contrary evidence to be denying the most obvious, that it was unlocked.

Again, how were they acting in a threatening manner?

Zimmerman definitely bore some of the blame for that altercation but the moment the kid struck him he was well within his rights to defend himself. He should have seen charges but prosecution was too aggressive in what they charged him with.

 

If I was her husband I would have made her gun inoperable as well, her muzzle and trigger discipline is atrocious.

Do you believe she knew this? If so it flys in the face that she felt threatened.

 

Nope. Its a legal thing.

 

1. My statement was correct, it isn't a crime.
2. I said you have repeatedly criticized them for it. I didn't say you said it was a crime so no, I won't be pointing anything out or retracting anything. My criticism of what you've been saying is you have been, repeatedly, criticizing them for things that are perfectly legal. I guess my question is why? This is a thread about their legal issues, specifically tampering.

Please, tell me more of your opinions as if they're relevant.

I don't have to. THE MOB IS THREATENING. Once again, this isn't debatable. Your opinion that they weren't threatening is irrelevant.

You pretended to know something that clearly can't be known from the video. That's my point and I'm 100% correct.

It's on video. They damn sure weren't peaceful. The guns also likely made them a lot less threatening than they would've been.

You have no idea what would've happened if the owners weren't armed.

An indisputable fact is they were armed and nothing happened.

 

In principle I agree with you, but I have never been confronted by a mob and I'm thinking neither have you. In this case the brandishing seems to have been the best option. The mob was deterred and no one was shot.

What would you have to say if a black couple had brandished to avoid an attack by a KKK mob?

 

Really? BLM mobs often contain arsonists. Hiding inside one's home is therefore probably not a good tactic.

 

Because something is legal does not make it correct

If someone debates an issue it is debatable. Groups of people protesting isn’t in itself threatening. I guess it depends on the level of cowardice vs if they are actually being threatening.

Please, tell me more of your opinions as if they're relevant.

They were not violent or making threats.
Yes, it’s on video

Nor do you, I am not the one making broad assumptions about every aspect of this to suit your narrative.

 

she pulled the pin out and then put it back in later.

her intent was clearly to fire on those unarmed protesters

 

The McCloskey's should get a good attorney and go to the Missouri Bar. If she gets dis-barred she not only loses her job but she can't go into private practice.

 

Like I have said, I have been trained not to pull a weapon unless my life is in danger — I don’t think the introduction of weapons into a precarious situation typically makes the situation better. If I pull a weapon it is to fire it, not use it as a prop.

My advice for the black couple in your example would be for them to call the police and have protection readily available if the “KKK mob” approaches their home, especially if they try to enter their home.

I would advise against opening the door, threatening the crowd, not calling police and them approaching the crowd with a weapon that is inoperable.

 

That woman was behaving as if she was trying out for the Bonnie part of a Bonnie and Clyde movie.

 

The media is "Silent" not because of any conspiracy but because thete is no basis for this story. There are no credible spurces to support the myth that this prosecutor " manipulated" anything. All of the "sources" were hawking opinions. Some or many were blogs. Blogs are not sources.

I do not agree with that prosecutrix but there is no sane medium outlet that is saying that she manipulated anything.