Unpopular Opinion: Jury Duty can be used to take a stand for Free Speech.

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  1. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Oh bull. Cite Ron Paul suggesting jury nullification as a political tool
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    This is the typical use for jury nullification
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    You have your hierarchy of power mixed up here. SJWs are not as powerful as you think. Customers hold the ultimate power. You'd have better luck becoming an anti SJW, supporting those businesses with your words and wallet. Jury nullification is, excuse my candor, batshit crazy.
     
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    Your post got me thinking. What type of male bashing are you and your friends protesting? I work in a pretty progressive environment and I see no signs of male bashing. You also mentioned that your friends had some pretty politically incorrect web pages protesting the bashing that you suggested they may be fired for in 2020? How politically incorrect can a protest page be? Are they verbally attacking the women and if so that is not really how you protest.
     
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    The last time I was seated on a jury I informed the Judge I believed in jury nullification. At that point my services were no longer required.
     
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    Jury nullification is Batshit crazy? Would you vote to convict someone and ruin their life for say smoking a small quantity of marijuana. If this is a bad example for you pick some other victimless crime for which the justice system ruins people's lives.
     
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    If you think jury members opinions of things and politics are not considered in most cases you are naive. What would you say about the OJ jury?
     
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    Read the OP. What the OP is suggesting is jury misconduct, not jury nullification. The whole argument is indeed Bashir insane. It makes absolutely no sense.
     
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    If you think cancel culture can be stopped by jury nullification, then you know nothing about either.

    And no, juries do not bring politics into their decisions. We leave that for governors and POTUS through the pardon process.
     
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    So OJ was actually innocent?
     
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    You said "jury nullification" which has a specific legal meaning.
     
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    The OP said jury nullification. Have you read the OP?
     
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    OJ is irrelevant. We're talking about normal jury trials, not OJ.
     
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    I've always advocated for Jury Nullification. And I will use it myself IF I find that the situation warrants such. I encourage everyone to be aware of it and use it if they in good conscience believes its the right thing to do.

    But beware. Jury Nullification is a two edge sword. It can be used badly just as much as it can be used for good. Example of it being used badly is that many KKK were not convicted when they murdered black people.
     
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    Which is why it shouldn't be used.
     
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    It shouldn't be used for bad. But it should be used to prevent over reach by the government. For instance, aside from the prohibition era that the OP mentions, it was also used to keep slaves free after they escaped to the North and to keep free those that ran the underground railroad despite the laws prohibiting it.

    Just because something can be used for bad, doesn't mean it shouldn't be used at all. For instance enforcing the law can be bad or good. Its great to get a killer off the streets, but bad when used to target an individual or group because you disagree with them (for whatever reason).
     
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    Jury Nullification can be used how ever each individual Juror wish to use it. The whole concept of Jury Nullification is to vote your conscience.

    Besides, all laws can be considered political.
     
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    I haven't looked at Facebook for a couple years. The last time I did, many co-workers posted all kinds of anti-Kaepernick memes. Not a one in his favor. Maybe it's my friend list, don't know. I used to laugh and tell them they were stupid for caring about what, to me, was a non-issue. Anyway, point is, nobody got fired.

    This whole issue seems rather overblown.
     
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    Jury nullification (US), jury equity[1][2] (UK), or a perverse verdict (UK)[3][4] generally occurs when members of a criminal trial jury believe that a defendant is guilty, but choose to acquit the defendant anyway because the jurors also believe that the law itself is unjust,[5][6] that the prosecutor has misapplied the law in the defendant's case,[7] or that the potential punishment for breaking the law is too harsh. Some juries have also refused to convict due to their own prejudices in favour of the defendant.[8]

    The bottom bold is what the OP is suggesting. You should read it twice before supporting it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

    Back to the original claim. How exactly do you stop cancel culture with jury nullification? Does that make any sense to you? Cancel culture is legal. Why would anyone be involved in a criminal case because of cancel culture? If you can explain the OP to me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
     
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    Reasons Jurors Are Disqualified After Trial Starts
    At any point after a criminal trial starts, a judge must remove any juror when it becomes clear that the person is disqualified for any of the “for cause” reasons for disqualifying potential jurors before trial, including:

    • bias for or against the defendant
    • contact with the defendant, or
    • refusal or inability to follow the law.
    Sometimes, jurors may not have given honest answers during voir dire. Other times, jurors only realize during the trial or jury deliberations that they have strong feelings or preconceived opinions that make it impossible to be fair, consider the evidence, and apply the law to the facts presented at trial.

    https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/...luding-jurors-removing-and-disqualifying.html
     
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    I am not aware of a single juror in USA History being prosecuted for it.

    PS. Sometimes Silence is Golden.
     
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    Law suits can also involve juries. For instance an employer firing an employee because they expressed support for a President that the person that fired them hates.

    Cancel culture may be legal. But it is not Just.
     
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    Thank you.

    Mr. DePlatformer has ruined many lives for legitimate Political Opinions.

    Now he is charged with a Fentanyl offense. It seems he is not guilty of that particular charge. Juror 8 does not believe Mr. DePlatformer should be free.
     
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    Nullification is a verdict. It's not something you can use. It's something 12 people can use if they all agree to use it.
     
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    Cool story. Will there be violence in the courtroom? Who plays Mr. DePlatformer? Denzel, right? Gotta be Denzel. Juror 8 done pissed off the wrong guy. I love these movies.
     

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