One can be....if that one is NOT the woman it's in... If it's someone else doing the injuring they can be held responsible
I am saying that even the mother, in some situations, clearly should be restricted from doing at least some things to the fetus.
I was using the most significant example of a sexist/misogynistic culture. There is no greater example of this than the Islamic world.
Alright, but women can't be ANTI-WOMEN which was the original statement from this very unfunny sounding comedian which @ECA referred to.
Sure, I get that, but what does that have to do with abortion? The only thing that I can think of is the argument that because more women are single and without the extra support that a husband would bring, that this justifies abortion.
I said, "why is carrying to term relevant to abortion?" If a woman carries to term, they didn't have an abortion. Of course it did. Abortion isn't mentioned in the Constitution.
Glad to see that you're not a radical! A radical would say that only whites can be racist. Alright, but what is a greater example of sexism? A. A man who says that women shouldn't be allowed to vote or work. B. A woman who doesn't hire women for certain positions?
So an all male workforce then? Even this wouldn't be ANTI-women, which is more what I was getting at. That is sexist though. Yeah okay, that's pretty extraordinary! No, it's not okay - I was just making the point that I didn't think it was sexist to prefer a particular sex. Yeah, I'm making a distinction between individual acts of sexism and sexist/misogyistic systems. And when you say "there is a strong sexist/misogyistic system" are you referring to a particular country? Even if rebelling against the system means a potential beating and/or legal punishment? This discussion originally came from me saying that women cannot be "anti-women." Then it became about sexism. I concede that women can be sexist, but not to the point of saying for example, that ALL shouldn't have the right to vote or work.
Yes, it is the one right which applies only to women. However, is this your reason for referring to abortion simple as "a woman’s right?" My point is, that the Second Amendment is ALSO a women's right, just as it is a man's right. What probably happened is you referred to it in that way totally subconsciously, which is fine, but it just reveals your bias. We all have our own biases! No, I don't believe that, but we've been told by the radical left that men can get pregnant, so I guess they believe that they can have abortions!
Let me get this straight...you’re upset that I said abortion is a women’s right? And what in bloody hell does abortion have to do with the second amendment? Who specifically has stated a genetically born male can get pregnant?
FoxHastings said: ↑ Women are part of "culture"....and why bring in Islam...plenty of sexism in ALL cultures ???"Significant" ? What TF......you don't need Islam, this country, filled with Christians and many other religions, is rife with sexism and misogyny.. . I am not going to get into a contest about who is the worst as far as sexism . ALL cultures, ALL religions, ALL countries, the world ! has sexism and saying, "Hey , look over there, they have sexism so we aren't so bad " does NOT take away from the fact that sexism is everywhere... Taking away women's right to bodily autonomy is wrong and horrifying no matter what religion, what group, what country does it...
FoxHastings said: ↑ Women can be sexist and they don't have to hate themselves to qualify....(GOODGAWD!) IF you understand what sexism is, why don't you quit making Really Sexist statements like " women can't be Anti-woman".... Women can be anything they want to be...
If the mother consents to whatever is done to the fetus, there is no case if there are no rights prior to birth.
Uh, that's why it's relevant... The Supreme Court did not manufacture the right to abortion.! It upheld women's right to bodily autonomy.
There is no right to bodily autonomy recognized by the court nor will there ever be because if the government ever needed a draft again, they would be admitting to the violation of rights. RvW was based on the right to privacy.
It most certainly is sexist to prefer one sex over another. Women can go to any "point" they choose...it's sexist to say otherwise
Glad you agree that The Supreme Court did not manufacture the right to abortion. It upheld women's right to bodily autonomy which is what Anti-Choicers attacked..
Again there is no right to bodily autonomy and I think the antivaxxers are about to find that out. The right to have an abortion rests on the right to privacy (precariously imo).
No right to bodily autonomy? Then I guess if someone needs a new heart or kidneys or a blood transfusion they can FORCE you to give them yours... I have a friend who is waiting a kidney transplant.... they thought they had to wait for a donor ….they didn't know they could FORCE another person to give them their's..
Not in some cases. Those were companies that already had male employees and a sexist female was hired as Director of Human Resources. The case I'm thinking about involves a woman that culled the list of potential applicants to favor men. The few women interviewed were usually rejected. She even hired men for secretarial work, a position usually held my a female (yes, that's sexist too!) It's fair to say the company was very close to an all male workforce. What is the difference in anti-woman and sexist women? Being sexist against women is being anti-woman, no? I believe people would be shocked at how common this really is, especially in dysfunctional toxic families. Preferring a particular sex IS sexist. You initially used the words "sexist/misogyistic systems". Did you have a particular country in mind? I do not. I'm in the USA. However, my understanding is this is a problem worldwide. Yes. It's not easy, but standing up against discrimination (in all its forms) is the only way to address the problem. Maybe one or a few might get punished, but there is nothing that can be done when ALL (or most) fight back against it. I am glad to hear that you understand that some women can be and are sexist against women. Sexism is still sexism no matter how it's done. Why do you think there are varying degress? There is no greater example of sexism. It's all sexism. Are you suggesting that some forms of discrimination (in this case sexism) are "okay" because they are less destructive somehow? I am sure, sometimes, there are financial concerns involved in a woman's choice to have an abortion, but I doubt it is the SOLE reason for it.
You think that there is a right to bodily autonomy, but I say if there is, the right hasn't been interpreted and written into law. I think that the unborn have rights that have yet to be interpreted and written into laws.
