How is Christianity "rife with sexism and misogyny?" Of course you're not, because you'll LOOSE miserably! The Islamic world is OBVIOUSLY worse! It is merely your opinion that banning abortion would take away a woman's right to bodily autonomy. And even if abortion WAS banned in the US, or any Western country, women in the West would have it GREAT compared to women in Islamic countries.
If a fetus is killed, then they haven't been given very much protection! Also, if they are deemed by all governments to have no rights, then why is abortion banned at ANY stage?
No, you didn't even refer to abortion. You just told someone, "you’re for taking away a woman’s right. You correctly point out that abortion is a women's issue, but is this your reason for referring to abortion simply as "a woman’s right?" And again, somehow I doubt that you would ever refer to a woman's 2nd Amendment right as simply, a woman's right. Nothing. I mentioned the Second Amendment as an example of another right. Again, my point is, that the Second Amendment is ALSO a women's right - the difference is that it doesn't exclusively apply to them as with abortion. "Most MEN would be relieved their anatomy means they can avoid the excruciating pain of childbirth. But not Thomas Beatie." https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/06/29/on-this-day-pregnant-man-gives-birth/
She was speaking of The Nazi I was only following orders excuse. Her view was they could have killed themselves to avoid the orders.
Um...you DO realize the thread we are in is about ABORTION, right? We were discussing ABORTION therefore I was talking about ABORTION. Beatie is a genetically born female. So you still have no examples of anyone stating a genetically born male can get pregnant.
Of course there are moral arguments in favor of murder. It depends on the circumstance. I have already stated that I can not come up with any sound moral argument for killing the fetus after 24 weeks.
HILARIOUS coming from SOMEONE WHO HAD TO HAVE SEXISM EXPLAINED TO HIM and still doesn't get it ......HILARIOUS!!!! No it isn't....and your statement shows once again that you have no idea what bodily autonomy is... LOL, do you KNOW how old THAT stupid idea is?? How old fashioned and out of date thinking like that is.....isn't that what your grandpa thought ?!!! LOL The old, trite IGNORANT , SEXIST, misogynistic "women have it worse somewhere else so they should be grateful we don't treat them as badly as other countries do"
FoxHastings said: ↑ Fetuses have protections but no rights... Good GAWD...do you ever READ what you post? Wildlife has protection, it still gets killed WTF , you couldn't figure out such a simple concept ???? That's alarming. And how many thousands of times do you need to be told that fetuses are protected at viability, not before. That again is a very simple fact....and you haven't gotten it yet !!!! ????? Wow... Because DUH FoxHastings said: ↑ Fetuses have protections but no rights... BTW, Where TF does "all governments" fit in? Why are you bringing in "all governments"? Who mentioned that besides you??
Yes, but not safe abortions and not all women had access to abortions. See, here's a real shocker..not all women are exactly the same, they do not all have the same thoughts, life style, circumstances, etc. I know that's hard for righties to believe but it's true nevertheless..
OH! Do you like the idea of having a choice that doesn't include suicide? It's nice to have the choice to gestate or not....everyone should have the freedom of choice...
What TF difference does it make? NO difference... You "forgot" to answer this question when you snuck this post into another thread.....
Yeah, but your argument is basically "Trust women, they know best". There are different situations. Some of them are extremely bad. (e.g. abort at 20 weeks 'cause my boyfriend dumped me)
You asked a question and then answered it yourself. Question: "What TF difference does it make?" Answer: "NO difference." So I don't suspect that you were actually looking for an answer. Anyway, the difference in my opinion is that one is sexist and the other is much closer to misogynist.
Not even YOU believe that everyone should have the freedom of choice! You have very conveniently ignored any responses to your limit of 23 weeks! What about women who want abortions after 23 weeks for a non-medical reason? Do they have the freedom of choice? Let's see if you continue to ignore it!
My point was that they were still available. Sure. What's you point? What makes you think that I'm a "rightie?" Haven't you ever heard of a pro-life Democrat before? I know that there's barely any of them left, so perhaps that's confused you!
Why are you talking about "wildlife" in a thread about abortion? Well you didn't say "at viability." You simply said, "fetuses have protections." Even after 23 weeks, in New York, fetuses have s o much protection, that they can be terminated for any medical reason, even if it's not necessary to save mother's life! WOW, so much protection! Fetuses have no rights written into law obviously, but if every state government in the US for example, actually believed that fetuses had ZERO rights, then why don't all states have abortion up to birth? Clearly they think fetuses have SOME right to life!
Why do you think that what you have to say is important enough to use that sized font and in colour? Question yet to be answered: How is Christianity "rife with sexism and misogyny?" Not even YOU believe in ABSOLUTE bodily autonomy. You have a 23 week limit, remember? Whereas, I assume that you don't have ANY limits to whether or not someone can use another person's body part to keep them alive! Why shouldn't they be grateful that they live in a superior country to many of their fellow women? Of course, this doesn't mean that issues affecting women in the West should be ignored! They should absolutely be addressed!
Yes I know, but I'm just saying that you probably wouldn't apply the same standard in a Second Amendment thread - if someone said that the 2nd amendment should be repealed, I highly doubt that you would say as you did regarding abortion, "you’re for taking away a woman’s right. You’re extreme" or even you’re for taking away a person's right. You’re extreme. This assumes that you DON'T support repealing the 2nd amendment! Well I didn't specify genetically born male. However, can you seriously not see what this radical reporter is attempting to do? Read again focusing on the text in bold: "Most MEN would be relieved their anatomy means they can avoid the excruciating pain of childbirth. But not Thomas Beatie." https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/06/29/on-this-day-pregnant-man-gives-birth/
