Rep. Cooper: We may have to arrest Postmaster General

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's hardly a coincidence that this "crisis" was manufactured after Biden dropped his VP bomb.

    Another thing that's not lost on the public is that the Dems can't return from recess to pass an aid bill to help unemployed and underemployed Americans but they can return to stage a political circus for their own benefit.

    As usual, Dems have their priorities in the wrong place - the only people they care about are themselves. The GOP would be wise to make a big deal out of that during the RNC.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yuck.


    Seriously, yuck.
     
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    It's no secrete that the USPS is not well liked by many ;)
     
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    Interesting. Using your methodology, I have determined that car theft does not exist since I have never had my car stolen.
     
  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    But you are not using my 'methodology' as it were --- your logic wanes in that a car can torn down and it's parts sold for cash, it is something of value to a criminal, whereas a ballot is worthless. Criminals are after cash, not worthless piece of paper politics. And, if logic is your thing, though I doubt it given your comment, it is logical that, to date, no sufficient evidence has ever been found that ballot theft exists anywhere near the level required to thwart a national election. A parcel on your doorstep is far more likely to be stolen than a paper ballot.

    Fail.
     
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  6. struth

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    maybe you ballot is worthless but mine has value and biden and trump both think so
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ballots these days are bar coded and track, so your point is moot, they would know it.
    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/false-narrative-vote-mail-fraud
    Ballots are idenditical in each region, gathered and treated separately. Your check was a standard envelop, and occasional things like that happen, but that's anecdotal, and, as such, doesn't thwart the premise that mail fraud is happening on any scale sufficient to affect the outcome of a national election
    Tell that to the 1.3 million vets who recieve their perscription meds via the mail.
    Tell that to the many millions of elderly folks without computers who still get letters and cards from grandkids, etc.
    Tell that to anyone who delivers and receives packages and mail of any kind, a number in the billions. Go to any post office and notice there is a line, all day long in most post offices, especially in cities. I use the post office at least once a month, as to hundreds of millions of people.

    The only thing here that is useless is your premise.

    The right used to value American institutions, but, under Trump, all of the sudden, they are nihilists (per historical nihilism, i.e.,antiestablishmentarianism).

    That's the Trump effect, tear down America's institutions, tear down the nation. "Desconstruct the administrative state" as Bannon affectionately referred to it, who was the architect of Trumpism.

    Trumpism is going down in November, way down, and it will be relegated to the dustbin of history, a mere asterisk in the annals of the history of American values, filed under a tab labeled, 'How America Lost It's Way".
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No one said your ballot is worthless, I said it is worthless to a petty criminal.

    Learn to read, please.
     
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    Most all Mail is barcoded, and still area code and addressed or if you like redundancy.. But the weak link in the system is human error, as long as some person is handling your mail from point A to B the odds are far greater then a nanosecond of digital transfer.. But hey it's all served you some 60+ years assumingly ERROR free in all those years sooo, enjoy the good ol days ;)
     
  10. struth

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    no you didn’t...you said nothing about a petty criminal
     
  11. AmericanNationalist

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    Amazon is less of a competitor than UPS! Dude, you're committing the apples to pear fallacy. Both are fruits but they are entirely different fruits. Amazon like UPS is mostly commercial retail and distributing. It actually operates more like a wholesale flea market than anything. Please I beg for all the sanity in the business world to please know what you're talking about because right now, you're doing a Trump. And you never want to be mentioned in the same breath.
     
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    The USPS claims to be self-funded, and has for many decades now. It would only be possible for Congress to "withhold funds" if this is a lie:

    https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/
     
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    It seems pretty obvious that you neither read the post you were responding to nor do you understand how the House would select the next President in the event that no candidate reaches a majority of electoral college votes.
     
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    Is that supposed to convince a swing voter?

    BTW, it looks like this year's RNC platform is: "There is no platform but vote for Donnie cuz he's great (says Donnie)".

    He has swallowed them whole!
     
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    Then again people hear what they need to in order to make their choice ;)
     
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    We've seen the public sector robbed in every state in this union. They typical pattern is for states to offer increased compensation NOT in salary/wages (which have to be paid today) to benefits that are paid in the future.

    Then, in a later year some politician comes along and claims the budget can be preserved by cutting the benefits of public sector employees!! And, their argument is that those benefits are larger than one expectes in the private sector - which OBVIOUSLY true, but is purely oriented to how past congresses chose to compensate public sector employees.

    This has been done in the private sector, too. One example is automakers, where corporations did the same thing - in labor negotiations they insisted labor contracts have limited wage increases, offset by promises of better retirement, etc. Then, when the rubber hit the road our government allowed corporations to simply cancel those benefits!

    Doing a better job of protecting the compensation of both private and public sector employees is important.

    Evaluation of past legislation needs to consider the range of issues and the exact wording of that legislation.

    While the 75 years sounds large, I do not believe you have come even CLOSE to representing the legislation as a whole in the context of existing law at the time. For example, NO employee works for 75 years. The legislation is clearly oriented to demanding responsible protection of all such workers. And, the full specification of the methods for achieving that are not included in your comments.
     
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    Here in WA I can look on the internet to see if my vote was counted. My ballot comes with a code that allows each voter to do that.

    We hear so much CRAP about vote by mail that it's just crystal clear that there is an agenda here.

    The fact of the matter is that polling places are RIFE with opportunities used by politicians for defeating democracy.

    And, those politicians don't like that idea, because they are in office because the will of the people was avoided by a systematic assault on democracy.
     
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    Ya all work real good with a very small percentage of people voting by mail.. Lets see how it works nation wide, oh wait, the reminds me of the ACA signups..

    What could possibly go wrong with something as important as an election ;)
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Fine, I'll worry about it if and when that happens, as few people understand this anyway. But, like you said, it's not likely, so who the **** cares at this point.
     
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    LOTS of people understand it. Here is a simple explanation:

     
  21. Bluesguy

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    It is to a political criminal.
     
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    That old canard again. Again I ask you, how much does it take and why the limit to "national" election even when we have no national elections in this country.

    How sufficient did it have to be to change the outcome of the 2000 Presidential Election? How sufficient did it has to be to determine which party would control the Virginia Statehouse in 2016?

    And that canard. Parcel mail not letter mail, one of the reasons to cut back on the letter sortation machines is they take up a lot of room, room they need to expand their growing parcel service.

    Fewer and fewer, volume is half what it was twenty years ago and we elderly folk like to get facebook pics and clips, and text messages and video clips and we even have email and even know how to copy and paste.

    And use FedEx and UPS too and have lots of locations and don't stand in line but maybe a couple of minutes.

    It's not Trumpers tearing down our institutions and monuments and memorials and trying to eliminate our history and heritage.
     
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    They still don't understand that the States not the People elect the President.
     
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    How exactly?
     
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    I'd bet I could walk down the street and ask 100 different people, 'What happens if neither candidate gets 270 delegates' maybe one or two might say 'goes to the house', but I doubt anyone them will know more than that.
     
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