Crime In Kenosha Is Connected To Deindustrialization

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  1. Horhey

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    In 2018 Kenosha Sheriff David Beck said "we need to put all these garbage people away for the rest of their lives so the rest of us can be better."

    Never is the connection made between crime and people's economic situation. This is because politicians in Washington representing business interests would rather throw more police at the problem than deal with the material concerns of the public.

    Brookings Institute Study Finds Direct Connection between Poverty and Crime

    Joe Biden voted for NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTRC and President Clinton's austerity program. He's also the architect of mass incarceration.



    The US has since become the largest penal colony in the world.

    Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

    Very lucrative for US corporations.

    Another reason your wages are low: it's cheaper to hire convicts

    Black Americans are also "shock-absorbers" for capitalism's instability.

    Obama's Housing Policies Led to Decline in Black Wealth

    Coronavirus Is Hitting Black Business Owners Hardest

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    I couldn't get past the title. One man gets shot and it is the fault of the American economy. Good lord. Stop posting nonsense like this.
     
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    It's a general point about crime and poverty, responding to the sheriff's comment. Next time get past the title.
     
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    I see that the president is going to Kenosha to stir up more violence' which he and his people believe works in his favor.
     
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    Some good points.

    But if poverty drives crime, how do you explain the sociopathic criminality of people like Musk & Bezos?
     
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    Next time make your title appropriate.
     
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    They know they can get away with it because they run the country.
     
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    Tough on crime goes back to Nixon. Here's a hint, he wasn't a Dem.

    Locking people up, and disenfranchising them so they can't vote, is pure Jim Crow. Which is why Republicans support it.

    There was a big crime wave, and everyone wanted it to stop. It had a lot to do with Republican policies, the Drug War, decreasing funding going to cities, bunch of stuff. Take a look at the people that voted against it, there weren't many.

    It also had to do with the Republican propaganda machines, that dragged the country a long ways to the Right in the 80s. Which meant Clinton was to the Right of where the East Coast Establishment Republicans were in the 70s. Yeah, that's nuts.

    So sure, the Dems played a role in that clusterf*ck. I contacted a few politicians, but science doesn't usually stand a chance against politics. At the same time, the best science on welfare was published. Ironically, it was funded by Republicans, so it had all the bells and whistles. Most social science research is done on a shoe string. But Republicans were sure they could prove that welfare recipients were bums. It proved the exact opposite. But by then the 'welfare reform' was being debated in the halls of Congress, and it was way too late to stop the train wreck.

    In my massively unhumble and well informed opinion, this is at least 75% Republicans fault, and about 25% for the Dems. Before you flap your gums, take a damn close look at the Reagan years.
     
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    Partisan spin.

    In Joe Biden's words:

    "The truth is every major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the state of Delaware, Joe Biden, on that bill, and has had a majority vote of the Democratic members of the United States Senate on the bill."

    https://grabien.com/story.php?id=237407



    Joe Biden attacking the GOP from the Right on the Drug War:



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    Joe Biden is a right-winger.
     
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    Naw, those are facts.

    I've said that, using different language, several times. He's a politician, he'll move Left or Right with the country, but his instincts are center/Right.

    Now that the country is moving Leftwards, he'll prob stay in the center most of the time.

    To tell you the truth, swap him out for McCain or even Nixon, and I'd have to vote for them. If you haven't studied history, I can understand, but Trump is a nightmare, he has to go.
     
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    He goes where his corporate donors tell him to go. The rest is just gaslighting voters.

    Joe Biden tells donors he supports more funding for police

    As Calls to Defund Police Grow Louder, Biden Wants to Give Them More Money

    A worse Trump will run in 4 years and the Dems will continue to move further to the right because they know the Left has nowhere to go.
     
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    True dat.
     
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    To the Right of Trump's DOJ.

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    What do you think is causing the deindustrialization?
     
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    This is a wave. People want harsh penalties roughly every 30 years. Then they see the damage that causes, and they change their minds.

    It's bipartisan coming or going...
     
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    In the late 1800s, we were the low wage exporters selling cheap but good stuff to rich countries like England.

    Part of the problem is our wages are high. But lowering wages is the worst possible thing to do.

    The other part is that we aren't putting enough emphasis on doing R&D to develop new stuff, and for educating our kids so that they are the best. We used to have the best public education in the world.
     
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    De-industrialization is what we should be doing, you never heard of Post-Industrialization? Manufacturing things are the **** jobs of the 21st century and beyond. Your "developing" countries can do that We should be doing service work, and no, I don't mean we should all work at MacDonald's (though high-end culinary automation is going to be big by 2050). I mean we should service robots and automated factories, program the machines.

    The world is changing beyond our understanding and ability to predict it anyway. Nanotechnology means the end of Scarcity is on the horizon and Immortality is not far beyond that. What will the world be like when we can all have most everything we want and live forever? This is far from being SF. We see it now, and in a decade it will be the dominant force in the world
     
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    What's good for the capitalist is good for the worker is what you're saying without evidence. You're in favor of a few thousand oligarchs consolidating wealth until the system collapses under its own contradictions.

    World's billionaires have more wealth than 4.6 billion people

    "The Salvadoran Foundation for Economic and Social Development, which is almost entirely supported by US-AID, places advertisements in U.S. trade journals publicizing the most important attraction: easily available, cheap, and docile labor. The ad, which features a young woman, says":

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    “The common argument that crime is caused by poverty is a kind of slander on the poor” — H.L. Mencken
     
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    .. Nice Job with your Brain Laundry
    You can go back to ShLeeple NOW :)
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    1) Ahhh, so is the Right giving up on his being a pawn of the Left, and now he's a pawn of the rich? Or is he a pawn of the Left M/W/F, and a pawn of the rich T/Th/Sat? I don't suppose there is a chance of you getting real? You don't need to answer, I know.

    2) That's projecting.

    3) If you could get past idiotic cliches, that would answer itself. Needs work.

    4) Thanks for the laugh, first of the day. It's why I responded, that sounds a lot like one of the really dumb Russian trolls. So how about you telling us where you got it.
     
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    What's good for the Capitalist is inevitable for everyone. good or bad. Worker wages everywhere are being determined by global forces, mainly technology, which none of us can escape. If you raise poor Rosa's wages they will simply automate her job. If you forbid the automation, they will simply move the industry to somewhere that permits it, if you try to not buy the product through having a tariff they will simply sell it somewhere else. Globalism is the wave of the future driven mainly by technology which cannot be denied and noplace, not even the vaunted USA can remain in a vacuum (nor should we really want to). If you try, like Trump is trying right now, you just turn yourself into a third world shithole. That is proceeding apace even as we speak and a major reason we MUST turn him out of office in November
     
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    If Rosa's owners could save 10 cents by automating her job they would've already done it. Enjoy your radical centrism and status quo managers in Washington.
     

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