So when Trump wins the popular vote on election day, but then Biden wins ...

How is all this mail in voting supposed to work in the first place? How many states have passed legislation to allow it for this presidential cycle? I keep hearing that Democrats want to implement it, but I don't see how it can be accepted without proper legislative action in each state they want this to work in...

 

Thread win.

Most Republicans will get to work on the 2022 midterms to prevent Biden from making more than 2 years of destructive legislative "Progress".

On the other hand, if Trump wins, more cities will burn.

Actually, Antifa is probably planning to burn everything to the ground no matter who wins. Kamala all but promised us that.

 

I am under the impression that mail-in voting has taken place in the USA since the civil war. It started with soldiers and then lately it's been expanded to cover more people. I'm not saying that the system is prepared for a huge surge in mail-in votes, but at least it has some capacity.

P.S. I don't know which states are doing what, but my home state of New York, where we need a reason to vote by mail, they recently included COVID-19 as a reason to qualify for mail-in voting.

 

All states have to be "finished" by December 8th. I would expect delays and lawsuits between around Thanksgiving and Dec. 8th.

• Nov. 3, 2020: Election Day, when voters in each state will select their presidential electors. The names of electors are not on the ballot in most states. Rather, when a voter casts a vote for a presidential candidate, s/he is also casting a vote for the electors already selected by the party of that candidate. If a majority of voters in a state vote for the Republican candidate for president, the Republican slate of electors is elected. If a majority vote for the Democratic candidate, the Democratic slate of electors is chosen.
• Dec. 8, 2020: Deadline for Resolving Election Disputes. All state recounts and court contests over presidential election results must be completed by this date.
• Dec. 14, 2020: Meeting of the Electors. The electors meet in each state and cast their ballots for president and vice president. Each elector votes on his or her own ballot and signs it. The ballots are immediately transmitted to various people: one copy goes to the president of the U.S. Senate (who is also the vice president of the United States); this is the copy that will be officially counted later. Other copies go to the state's secretary of state, the National Archives and Records Administration, and the presiding judge in the district where the electors meet (this serves as a backup copy that would replace the official copy sent to the president of the Senate if it is lost or destroyed).
• Dec. 23, 2020: Deadline for Receipt of Ballots. The electors' ballots from all states must be received by the president of the Senate by this date. There is no penalty for missing this deadline.
• Jan. 6, 2021: Counting of the Electoral Ballots. The U.S. Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes.
• Jan. 20, 2021: Inauguration Day. The president-elect becomes the president of the United States.
  

 

The method of voting is determined by each state's legislature. Absentee voting is completely different. Early voting is also different from what I understand Democrats want to do. In the cases of absentee and early voting there is interaction with other people, whereas this push for mail in voting is something different. My state thankfully rejected this nonsense...

 

Types of voting in each state:






https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/11/us/politics/vote-by-mail-us-states.html

 

You don't know how the EC votes now? Why would they need to mail in their votes?

 

That's what the Postal Service keeps asking these state legislature which just pas mail in voting and set their rules and dates and then expect the USPS to comply with it. The USPS doesn't comply WITH they states, it's a federal agency as state legislture can't dictate to it what it will do to meet it's demands. The STATES have to comply with what the USPS tells them will be IT'S rules and dates for handling their ballots. The USPS is not charted nor statutorily responsible to specifically be the election system for the states. If a state wants to use them then they have to work with the USPS.

 

Apparently quite often because pollsters, statisticians and political scientists etc keep doing it even if the result has no real world impact.

 

And if they cannot meet that Dec. 8 deadline for their vote then the state legislature will choose the Electors so the state does not get disfranchised from their vote.

 

Absentee voting still requires action by the voter, which makes it harder to cheat the system. Its that nonsense of mailing out ballots without any verification or proof they are arriving at a register voters residence. That's sheer folly and begging to be exploited...

 

Quite often what, you vote in a national election? Nope, you vote in a state election. If there was a national election we would all be doing under the same rules with the same ballots on the same day(s) and votes by state wouldn't matter. You only vote for the President by the good graces of your state legislature there is no requirement you cast a vote for your state electors let alone directly for the President.

 

Yeah, but look at the states which automatically mail out ballots to all "registered voters". They're mostly blue, not swing states. California, Oregon and Washington State could mail in 100 million ballots (more then their entire combined populations) and they are still capped on electoral votes. It's really only swing states we should worry over, if at all.

 

Agreed!

The problem I see liberal governors attempting to push for mail in voting due to Covid. That liberal scumbag Tony the Tyrant tried doing that in my state just before the primaries. He wanted to simply send out ballots through executive decree at the same time he tried to illegally move the primary. Thankfully he failed. Its actions like that which worry me...

 

I'll just leave this here....

 

Which is why the electoral college must be eliminated.

 

Sorry but nope.

 

So you expect perfection. Got it.

 

As in - 'There is no national popular vote how often does that have to be stated.' Point is regardless of its constitutional or legal status (or rather lack of same) the 'popular' vote' can still be calculated from the available data. Result? It is calculated by vested interests on all sides of politics and then becomes 'grist for the mill' whenever someone finds it useful to bring up in political debate or commentary.

 

Precisely so. You claimed she won by 3,000,000 votes, that is not accepting the results as she doesn't whenever she utters that canard.

 

No it can't because there is no national popular vote, there are 51 separate and unique popular votes. It's not just constitutional or legally it is statistically false. The voting patterns are entire different from what would be a national popular vote. I didn't vote for Trump last time because I can't stand him personally but then he was going to win my state handily. Had it been close I would have voted for him and I am not unique in that. The campaigning is entirely different from a national popular election and the voting is different. So it might be interesting trivia that is all it is.

 

Yes it is, its just simply pointing out that the majority of citizens of America didn't want trump as president. Any president who is elected but does not win the popular vote cannot claim to be acting for the will of the people because the peoples will was for that president to NOT be elected.

 

What, exactly, did she "win," with all those extra votes?

Hint: Nothing.

 

No it is why it should be retained, the President is President of the United STATES. The STATES have interest just as do the People. The founding fathers were quite brilliant in the way they designed the government and it works today just as they envisioned. We are NOT a Democracy, the Constitution guaranties we are NOT a Democracy. We are a Federal Republic of the States. That is one reason we have lasted so long.

 

The contention being she should rightfully be the President not accepting the results which is a totally bogus argument to make. And you don't know what is the national people's will by tallying up the 51 separate and unique elections for state electors. You get a better answer by national polling data. Not all citizens vote, in fact compared to other similar countries we have lower turnouts.