still the women's choice, if you force her to abort or give birth against her will, then it's your fault
If, let's say hypothetically, there is an equal risk of something bad happening either way, how is it my fault if I force them to choose and that bad thing ends up happening to them?
it's not equal, you don't know which will cause it, if you pick it's your fault... simple... as you made her do it agaist her will you're not forcing them to choose, you're choosing for them
Nothing EMOTIONAL. Just the facts as I see them. I didn't realize that leftists could turn the feelz on and off like that. Upon further reflection though, I see they do it all the time for whatever is convenient. Here's a fact for Ya. Abortion kills a human being.
Nope! Abortions kills a POTENTIAL human being. So does the Christian god who ends up KILLING more than half of all fetuses according to the latest research. https://www.sciencealert.com/meta-a...-human-pregnancies-end-in-miscarriage-biorxiv Since YOU are INSISTING that it is "murder" then EVERY woman should be charged with MANSLAUGHTER for those miscarriage ABORTIONS in order for YOUR position to be CONSISTENT.
Oh, you're back! Have you bothered to read the OP? Still haven't addressed some inconvenient post but you came back with another bit of crap about how women should do what you think they should do but no explanation of why they should do your bidding. Do you know I have never seen you say anything positive about women...
LOL! Uh, that's YOUR explanation...no one else's... I have only seen you make negative remarks about women...says a lot...
, There isn't. This is real life, not ""Kazenatsu's Sci-Fi Show""" Uh DUH, it's when the CHOICE is taken away that bad things happen(GOODGAWD!) ...when people lose their right to choice Really Bad Things happen and you may be surprised and dismayed to learn the bad stuff just doesn't happen to women when people are denied rights......
So, people that have indiscriminate sex leading to countless offspring who are left... ...with that offspring's other DNA donor or ...in dumpsters or at fire stations or police departments or hospitals and ...funneled into a crippling foster care program and/or group home/orphanage are somehow *better* than people that don't walk away and make the state (you, me, etc. as tax payers) than people that recognize they are not *fit* (emotionally and/or physically and/or financially and/or psychologically) to be parents? Is that your position on this matter?
You are changing the subject of the argument now, and it is unfair of you to expect me to answer that here, in this topic, especially since we have had several discussions in other topics in the past that have discussed what you are trying to bring up.
Yes, I refuse to engage in off-topic arguments when they are not in the right topic for doing that. Not every topic posted in the Abortion section is for everything about abortion in general. If you want to ask about that, you should have asked in the proper topic. I'm tired of having to repeatedly argue things over and over again, in different places.
It's about one aspect of abortion, not everything about abortion. We are talking about women here, correct? Not the rest of society or children.
Not true at all. I've repeatedly engaged you in numerous of your arguments after repeated prodding and loud noises made by you.
...and "conveniently" ignored pertinent posts and those Really Inconvenient questions Are you now going to go back to the topic ??
My dear, no woman who isn't raped is forced to be pregnant. Your argument collapse completely at this very first (and crucial) hurdle.
And if she did stay with him long-term, that would be a choice she freely made. No one forces women to a) become pregnant, or b) hook up with @$$holes.
Only rape results in unwanted pregnancies. In every other instance the woman has freely chosen it. 99.9% of women DO know how babies are made after all, though to read some of the bumph here you'd think they don't. That 'very real and life changing decision' is made just before the point of conception. Stop pretending abortion happens in isolation from that decision.
Speak for your own country. In my country the majority of births are via midwife in our public hospitals .. and it's 100% free. Yet we STILL have a problem with convenience (non-medical) abortions.
They will never agree with that. They, quite literally, don't think women are capable of that kind of self-control and personal decision making power. It's incredibly misogynistic, but I don't think they realise that at all.