Biden got money from Ukraine

Yet its ok trump racks in millions????

 

That's what I said. Whether Obama brokered the deal is irrelevant, and I have yet to see that shown.

Who is saying this?

Yes. Do you not remember Jim Clyburn's speech, South Carolina, and Biden sweeping the South in the primaries?

 

Obama told Biden something. So what? I voted for McCain in '08. Why should I care what Obama said, which can be interpreted different ways? What exactly is your point?

 

United States Intelligence has accused Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Derkach of acting in the interests of Russia and attempting to interfere in the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

Since 2019, Derkach has been one of several Ukrainian political figures who have pushed conspiracy narratives about former Vice President Joseph Biden, who is challenging incumbent President Donald Trump in the upcoming election in November.

 

Where?

 

The point is that Obama consistently was trying to prevent Biden from running for the office.
As I already mentioned, it’s possible that Obama was afraid of Biden running because it can open up all kinds of nasty crap that can impact Obama’s legacy.

 

As I said numerous times now, the messenger can be the worst creature alive in this entire solar system, but it doesn’t change the fact that audio records and bank transactions got published and no one seem to be disputing those.
You are attacking the messenger instead of attacking the message.

 

Is it amnesia or just plain dementia at this point? So hard to tell the difference with Creepy Joe.

 

Yeah, right. Or maybe it was Hillary's turn? First black, first woman. Not too hard to figure out.

You seem to be forgetting that Biden was Obama's vice-president. Your CT makes no sense.

 

Sorry, Russia isn't selling this year.

 

What is stopping YOU from checking the Impeachment hearings regarding your own BOGUS allegations about Biden in order to VERIFY if YOU are correct?

You REFUSE to do that because you are AFRAID that they will EXPOSE that what you are currently ALLEGING is utterly FALSE!

The FUNDS paid by Burisma to Rosemont Seneca were for the the SALARIES of Hunter Biden and the other Americans that they employed. That was ALL REVEALED during the Impeachment Hearings because those FACTS were KNOWN at that TIME.

Do you seriously believe that if that was money laundering by the Bidens that would NOT have been used as a "defense" for your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief at the time?

The FACTS are all there!

All YOU need to do is to make sure that YOU are NOT posting bovine excrement based upon previously DEBUNKED allegations.

 

The entire country was talking about it.

This was the scam that Trump, Stone, and the Russians cooked up to smear Joe Biden.

 

~ You know Putin and his tricks ... He even fooled Mueller .

 

Did you NOT read YOUR own LINK translated into English?

This is from YOUR SOURCE!

YOUR own OP refers to MONEY LAUNDERING with respect to the amounts PAID to HUNTER Biden!

That is the PREMISE of your utterly BOGUS allegation against JOE Biden in YOUR OP!

NOW you are FLIP-FLOPPING because your DEBUNKED allegation has been EXPOSED as being FOS!

Your story has COLLAPSED because it was based upon the FALSEHOODS about Joe Biden to begin with and NOW you are FLAILING around trying to PRETEND that you never made any such bovine excrement allegation.

Next time you should actually CHECK your facts BEFORE you post FALLACIOUS allegations that have been previously DEBUNKED.

Sad!

 

Give us a quote of what he said about Biden that is so bad.

 

They care the news got out.

 

Derkach was trained by the KGB, he is a Russian spy, has been for years, his job was to spread disinformation, the US Treasury has recently sanctioned him.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the news.

 

Why are you so afraid to learn the Derkach is a Russian Spy, trained by the KGB, whose mission is disinformation to hurt Biden and help Trump?

Why are you so afraid to learn that Trump is a corrupt scum. To wit:

Bilked US Taxpayers out of many millions for entourage and secret service stays at his hotel and golf resorts whereupon he raised prices to them, this money goes into the pockets of the Trump family..

Pocketed 10s of millions during the Convention, by holding the convention in Washington DC, his hotel was right accross the street, and the hotel drastically increased prices during the convention.

Trump siphoned $10s of millions of dollars from his inaugural campaign.

His daughter secured millions of dollars worth of trademarks form China WHILE Trump was negotiating from China. One of those trademarks was for a COFFIN, whereby the 200,000 DEAD from covid-19, no doubt will work out for her very nicely.

Kushner got a $500 BILLION dollar bailout from QATAR.which he otherwise could not have obtained but for his father-in-law being president.

Via Trump's own tax legislation, he helped himself and his rich cronies save BILLIONS. His elimination of the estate taxed helped Trump save 10s of millions.

 

The concerns from the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) were highlighted in Suspicious Activity Reports turned over to Senate committees over the last year in conjunction with investigations into the Russia and Ukraine scandals, according to several officials familiar with the evidence.

Simple: Biden was pushed in by the DNC to keep the Socialists off of the ticket. Kamala Harris is owned by the Hedge Fund lobby. She could care less about her current lip service to the far Left.

Of course he did. But it took Globalist manipulation to get him on the ticket with Harris who rec'd 80% of her primary campaign funding from the Hedge Fund Lobby and Lawyers' Associations.

 

"Incumbent Prosecutor General in the Ukraine, Iryna Venediktova, opened a criminal case after Ukrainian MP Andriy Derkach on May 19, 2020, released recordings of alleged negotiations between the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and the then U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry."

Biden had a hands on relationship with Poroshenko, so how is it Trump's fault that Derkach was able to allege a backdoor deal?

The Ukraine now feels that Biden's actions were nefarious in spite of Derkach's allegations.

State Department officials were concerned about the Hunter Biden position from the very start. And then Joe comes along, visits the Ukraine for 6 hours, and then brags about playing the part of an enforcer.

If there is any disinformation to be had, its Joe's own fault for leaving himself open to relationships that have all of the markings of using his office for family monetary gains.

And this is the better half of the rotten piece of fruit.

 

Well, Derkach is a russian agent, and that 'tape' was edited.

Your claim is that Biden used his office for monetary gain. You'll need to back that up with evidence. Your so-called 'tape' is not evidence coming from a russian spy.

Note, the fact that his son got a job riding on the coattails of his family name doesn't equal Biden using his office for financial gain.

That sort of thing is rather common in washington, as long as there is no quid pro quo, but it doesn't compare to the self dealings of nepotism of Trump.

Your so-called 'Biden bragging" is nothing more than Biden explaining how he was going to withhold loans ot Ukraine unless they fired an inept prosecutor was the policy in the region, supported by a multitude of countries and organizations.

For example, you are offered a job at one million bucks per year, and you know you are offered the job because your dad is famous, so, would you turn the job down?

Look me straight in the eye and tell me you would turn that job down.

See, it would be entirely different if Biden went to Ukraine, for the purpose of getting a lucrative job for his son, in exchange for some other personal favor, then you'd have a point, but that isn't the case here.

Y'all really need to stop grasping at straws on Biden, he is a good man. The bad man is Trump, and the evidence is overwhelming.

Trump:

Bilked US Taxpayers out of many millions for entourage and secret service stays at his hotel and golf resorts whereupon he raised prices to them, this money goes into the pockets of the Trump family..

Pocketed 10s of millions during the Convention, by holding the convention in Washington DC, his hotel was right accross the street, and the hotel drastically increased prices during the convention.

Trump siphoned $10s of millions of dollars from his inaugural campaign.

His daughter secured millions of dollars worth of trademarks form China WHILE Trump was negotiating from China. One of those trademarks was for a COFFIN, whereby the 200,000 DEAD from covid-19, no doubt will work out for her very nicely.

Kushner got a $500 MILLION dollar bailout from QATAR.which he otherwise could not have obtained but for his father-in-law being president.

Via Trump's own tax legislation, he helped himself and his rich cronies save BILLIONS. His elimination of the estate taxed helped Trump save 10s of millions causing deficits to careen out of control, and footing that bill are working class Americans ( because the rich can hedge, the average working class joe cannot ).

I mean, you seem so concerned about 'corruption' when the corruption is overwhelming on Trump and you don't seem to care about that.

 

Hard to believe the right is still getting sucked in by the Ruskies.
September 10, 2020
Washington – Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated four Russia-linked individuals for attempting to influence the U.S. electoral process. Russia uses a variety of proxies to attempt to sow discord between political parties and drive internal divisions to influence voters as part of Moscow’s broader efforts to undermine democratic countries and institutions. In the United States, Russia has used a wide range of influence methods and actors to target our electoral process, including targeting U.S. presidential candidates.

Treasury designated Andrii Derkach (Derkach) pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13848 for his efforts to influence the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Derkach, a Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services. Derkach has directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in an attempt to undermine the upcoming 2020 U.S. presidential election. Today’s designation of Derkach is focused on exposing Russian malign influence campaigns and protecting our upcoming elections from foreign interference. This action is a clear signal to Moscow and its proxies that this activity will not be tolerated. The Administration is working across the U.S. Government, and with state, local, and private sector partners, to make the 2020 election secure.

“Andrii Derkach and other Russian agents employ manipulation and deceit to attempt to influence elections in the United States and elsewhere around the world,” said Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin. “The United States will continue to use all the tools at its disposal to counter these Russian disinformation campaigns and uphold the integrity of our election system.”

Derkach’s Election Influence Efforts

From at least late 2019 through mid-2020, Derkach waged a covert influence campaign centered on cultivating false and unsubstantiated narratives concerning U.S. officials in the upcoming 2020 Presidential Election, spurring corruption investigations in both Ukraine and the United States designed to culminate prior to election day. Derkach’s unsubstantiated narratives were pushed in Western media through coverage of press conferences and other news events, including interviews and statements.

Between May and July 2020, Derkach released edited audio tapes and other unsupported information with the intent to discredit U.S. officials, and he levied unsubstantiated allegations against U.S. and international political figures. Derkach almost certainly targeted the U.S. voting populace, prominent U.S. persons, and members of the U.S. government, based on his reliance on U.S. platforms, English-language documents and videos, and pro-Russian lobbyists in the United States used to propagate his claims.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118

 

The very last sentence on the russian web page you linked to says "US Treasury has determined Derkach is Russian Spy. Derkach denies the claim".

Oh, yeah, minor detail. To, for the site to maintain it's dignity, and integirty, it casually mentions it at the very last on the site. That's integrity for ya.

 

Your “debunked” claim against the OP lays solely on the premise that what was paid to Hunter was money laundering.
When you are a VP and someone hires your incompetent blow-snorting, stripper-loving son into a company that pays him millions of dollars, even though he has no experience whatsoever, and if your son manages to influence your decisions then you are abusing power and accepting bribery without the need to launder money.
Why would they want to launder payments to Hunter if these payments were already legitimate on the documents?

So, your claim that my OP was debunked because it’s not a case of money laundering is an oxymoron.

See above. Learn what money laundering is.

I did, my facts stand.
My advise to you - look up the meaning of the word debunked and learn what money laundering is. That would be a good start.

 

What if a Russian spy releases true information. Does it make it not true because that particular person released it?
Or are you going to address the meat of the problem?