I just completed my mail-in ballot

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ABC could go to multiple post office employees. I am sure they would be willing to talk to them. Either ABC is a shabby news organization or no post office employees thought the slow down was due to anything but Covid-19 and increased volute.
     
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    ABC could do a lot of things. What’s that got to do with the price of tea in China? The struggles faced by the USPS and their causes have been well documented. A person who keeps quiet to avoid losing their job doesn’t change that.

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — The House Oversight Committee has invited the new postmaster general to appear at a September hearing to examine operational changes at the U.S. Postal Service that are causing delays in mail deliveries across the country.

    The plan imposed by Louis DeJoy, a Republican fundraiser who took over the top job at the Postal Service in June, eliminates overtime for hundreds of thousands of postal workers and orders that mail be kept until the next day if postal distribution centers are running late.”
    https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-n...stal-service-666471269922a01ae792c79b991277e4

    “Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said Tuesday he would suspend the controversial moves until after the election “to avoid even the appearance of impact on election mail.”

    But unionized postal workers in Massachusetts say the agency has already removed at least a dozen high capacity mail sorting machines in the state as part of a nationwide reduction plan that some complain is causing slowdowns in mail service.

    Nine machines were recently removed from a postal facility in Boston and three more were taken offline in central Massachusetts, union officials told WGBH News on Monday. About 20 pieces of mail sorting equipment were slated to be removed from June to August in the greater Boston-area, which includes Providence, Rhode Island, the news outlet reported.”
    https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...tions-voting-367680b105717760e082139df1f0eb26
     
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  3. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You doubted their story. They could have easily verified it. They either did not do it or the story is true as written.
     
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    Not my job to address ABC’s journalistic practices or the employee giving their statement. Again, the issues facing the USPS and their causes have been well documented.

    I like how you ignored my news articles based on fact and not personal opinion.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But no evidence that the delivery time has been significantly changed.
     
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    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    What part of “well documented” are you not getting here, Sunshine?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read your link. Found nothing that delivery time was impacted by Trump.

    Knock of the silly names.
     
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    Stop twisting my words and I’ll stop being silly.

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — The House Oversight Committee has invited the new postmaster general to appear at a September hearing to examine operational changes at the U.S. Postal Service that are causing delays in mail deliveries across the country.

    The plan imposed by Louis DeJoy, a Republican fundraiser who took over the top job at the Postal Service in June, eliminates overtime for hundreds of thousands of postal workers and orders that mail be kept until the next day if postal distribution centers are running late.”
    https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-n...stal-service-666471269922a01ae792c79b991277e4
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The key to that is "House Oversight Committee". That destroys the credibility right up front.
     
  10. DaveBN

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    Explain.

    Further details for you:
    “The 2020 United States Postal Service crisis is a series of events that have caused backlogs and delays in the delivery of mail by the United States Postal Service (USPS). The crisis stems primarily from changes implemented by Postmaster GeneralLouis DeJoy shortly after taking office in June 2020.[1][2][3] The delays have had substantial legal, political, economic, and health repercussions.[1][2][4]

    There is controversy and speculation about whether the delays are unintended consequences of restructuring operations, or if they were intentionally created for political and/or financial gain. DeJoy has supported and donated to President Donald Trump, who has publicly linked his opposition to emergency funding for the Postal Service to his desire to restrict voting by mail in the 2020 elections.[5][6]

    On August 18, 2020, under heavy political and legal pressure, DeJoy announced that he would be "suspending" the policy changes until after the November 2020 election.[7] He testified to the Senate on August 21, and to the House of Representatives on August 24, concerning the changes and their effects.[1]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Postal_Service_crisis

    All the details you need right there, assuming you’re willing to read the article.
     
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    Not difficult at all. Look at the title of the hearing "September hearing to examine operational changes at the U.S. Postal Service that are causing delays in mail deliveries across the country."

    I have participated in a lot of failure analysis in my life time. We never went in with the intention of blaming the failure on a component before even looking at the evidence. The title and objective of the hearing should have been "September hearing to determine the cause of delays in mails deliveries across the country" It was strictly a political hit job.
     
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    That would be relevant if DeJoy hadn’t acknowledged that operational changes that he implemented were the cause of delayed deliveries. With that information already on the record it makes sense to address the identified cause of the delays.

    This is from the article that you clearly didn’t read.

    “Upon taking office DeJoy immediately began taking measures to reduce costs, such as banning the use of overtime and extra trips to deliver mail.[2][13][14]After criticism, DeJoy admitted that these measures were causing delays in mail delivery, but said they would eventually improve service.[15] DeJoy also reorganized USPS leadership and staffing.[16] The changes were described in a memo DeJoy released on August 7, 2020.[17]
     
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    That still does not excuse not looking at other causes. Not looking at other causes, especially, when the virus has a major impact, completely destroys any objectivity.
     
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    A three hour round trip car ride to vote? Wow.

    We can walk to our polling place, and in my city, nobody has more than a 5-minute drive.

    That's straight-up voter disenfranchisement.
     
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    well, drive safe then. Pack some extra snacks, sounds like a long drive, maybe plan on some sightseeing along the way, a big ball of string or something cool like that.

    Me, I have a 2.1 mile drive to the local library, not much to see along the way so i'm not as lucky as others.
     
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    The scope of their inquiry was into those operational changes. What sense is there in talking about the pandemic if that wasn’t the point of the whole thing?
     
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    I know you’re being facetious, but it’s disappointing all the same that you’re okay with clear attempts to disenfranchise voters.
     
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    Can't you just put it in your mailbox and put the flag up? That's what i did.
     
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    That’s fine if you trust the USPS under the current administration.
     
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    sounds to me like someone who can't bring themselves to trust the mailbox or are too afraid to vote in person is disenfranchising themselves and doing a solid job of it. But if they want to make the drive and burn all those fossil fuels, then I can't stop them.

    I guess I could shame them for destroying the planets future if I was so inclined.

    I send and receive about 10 pieces of mail every day at work and I find it significantly more efficient than driving around town a couple days a week to pay bills or pick up checks. Several of my vendors who pay me monthly are out of state, I could only imagine the expense they would have to bear if they insisted in driving those checks from nebraska to Florida every month because they don't trust the mail.
     
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    Because if the virus is causing delays and they do not account for them in their investigation, they get a distorted view, which appears to be their intention.
     
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    Good for you....I voted early last week at my town hall. Easy...quick....not an issue

    FYI you can also put your absentee ballot in your mail box
     
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    Sounds like you should take it up with your State Govt....not the fine people at the USPS....not sure why you like attacking career civil servants
     
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    You don’t think that the fact people are experiencing those fears and have that lack of trust is part of the problem? Feels like victim blaming.
     
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    And yet DeJoy has acknowledged his policy changes have been the cause of delays. The inquiry and scope were appropriate.
     

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