We Need Something Besides Animosity- like this.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by spiritgide, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    The strangest thing just happened to me. I went to my banks drive through ATM and the person before me forgot to take their money $60. What was I to do? I had to take the money so I could then do my transaction. My card was declined. I called the bank and all they could tell me was the ATM malfunctioned and to go to the bank when they open in the morning. All I wanted to do is give the people their money.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've not been to Japan. I have a good friend there, who is also an investor, and I helped at substantial length when there reactor crisis occurred. We've talked about the contrast between countries (he's half American, has a sister and business here too) and it's really interesting, in that their principles are substantially higher than ours, people generally do what they say, and take responsibility if they fail.

    When I was a kid, hitch-hiking was pretty safe, and people helped each other out. Today, it's considered very risky. The lady understood your situation, and overlooked the risk- to pay it forward. The fact is you remember that random kindness, and probably always will. It's a good feeling.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like you will be able to do that through the bank- and the previous customer is lucky it was you who found their money!
     
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    It is a good feeling.

    The Japanese have certain social values that are considered absolutes (or at least they used to years ago). Things like wearing masks have been a social standard for a long time because spreading disease or some kind of harm was as unforgivable as it was a necessity. Individual rights are honored, but they were also very concerned with how those rights infringed on others. But with such a high population, it was necessary to think in terms of society before individual. All in all, they were very polite--at least until someone did something to piss them off. That brought out the samurai in them. :)
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is perhaps how it should be. A clear line between right and wrong, so people don't transgress by accident- and hell to pay for those who do so intentionally. Consequences are extremely good teachers!
     
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    i never give cash directly to someone.

    I am a member of a number of community service clubs. We raise money and give it out as needed in the community
     
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    Turning another thread into a hate Trump-fest....good job. :applause:

    So the only thing about Trump is what he says? I do not care what he says his actions speak volumes. Look into how many people Trump has helped out financially in the past.
     
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    i am sure it made him feel good, he wouldn’t do it if it didn’t. i am not sure why being nice too other people and feeling good about it is a selfish thing.

    Odd some people like yourself do.
     
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    not sure why you are confusing simply being nice to your fellow man as charity...
     
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    Probably had more use for it that anyone waiting in a queue to pay good money for sh#t food.
     
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    The problem we face today with Trump is that of whether his actions are causing America to work better.

    We need a government that works.

    I agree that there are personal deficits, too. And, those astound me in that I never thought America would accept a president who would say the things he says about women, minorities, those who have served in our military, etc. And, that DOES make a serious difference.

    But, the real problem is that we need a government that works, and Trump is causing that to be a more distant dream.

    The damage to our vaunted checks and balances may well be permanent. The ability to negotiate solutions doesn't actually even exist as Trump has no ability to stand by his word - including with his own party. He has no ability to listen to expert opinion on ANY topic (not just limited to his aversion to science). He's fully willing to state proven falsehoods over and over again. He feels free to openly attack our democracy on the most central topic possible - voting. His political methods are those of division.

    Our federal government can't be successful under those conditions.

    I fully agree with the need for us to come together as a nation and that absolutely will require action on the part of every individual. BUT, the federal level failure we're seeing today isn't coming from that source.
     
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    I have read many of his posts and I don't see where you say he accuses the left of being evil. I see mostly well thought out posts that are considerate of others. I find him quite the opposite of what you accuse him to be.
     
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    I wish I could like that post more than once. It deserves it
     
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    I really agree with that. Let me first say that the divisiveness is not just Trump, but that's how he operates. His attacks on those who disagree with him are relentless, as is his name-calling and labeling. He is not the first to use the divide and conquer style, but he has taken it to a whole new level. His leveraging of our political differences and his references to violence have worsened our political divisions and promoted them to the point that we're in danger of dissolving into just another used-to-be nation.

    I would be more inclined to set aside my disgust for him if he took a path of unity instead of this path of destruction we're on. I don't like Biden and Harris, I don't favor all the protests and riots. I'm concerned about the direction the Democrats want to take us. But the first order of business is to get Trump out of office. I think he gets too much credit for things that are either hyperbole or that have continued on a course that existed before him. Honestly, if there was another Republican running for office, I might vote that way.

    I'd like to see us move away from the binary mind set of either/or and get back to the one thing that gave us our form of government--compromise. We don't see eye to eye, but we do have many common beliefs, even if they're common by degree.
     
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    The only way things get better is to get rid of FOX News and the RW alternative fact media. The Rush Limbaughs... And that wont happen because you have billionaires willing to fund the discord. It makes them RICH, how ? When right fights the left, neither fight the rich and powerful. It really is that simple. They could repeat that on the NEWS, but would be fired by 1 of 5 media moguls that control ALL the MEDIA in the US.
     
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    Because I am an unenlightened troglodyte apparently
     
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    We've never had a president more singularly focused on catering to the audience than Trump.

    He has been the consumate populist, shunning policy and refusing to consider advice from every quarter and demonstrating no commitment to any consistent direction. He's far more likely to listen to FOX talking heads than to the top most members of his own party - or the experts in his own administration.

    He's never more happy than when he's singing his own praises to an audience of those at his constant stream of self promoting campaign style rallys.

    This presidency has been ALL about the audience. His chosen audience.
     
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    Which gets my vote!
     
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    America has to be about more than populism - what feels good at the moment.

    We're going to go nowhere without having principles and objectives that are spelled out and to which we are committed.

    Do we believe in the rule of law?

    Do we believe in democracy?

    Do we believe in equality?

    Obviously, each one of these have been serious and respected claims of our nation from the time of its conception (though some have obviously been more aspirational than achieved).

    But today, our populist president has opposed each of these.


    We're experiencing EXACTLY what early critics of our form of government pointed to as failure points.

    These are the same issues that has caused America to oppose our own form of government when we help to establish goverments in other countries.

    We KNOW this direction of populism fails. We KNOW it leads toward dictatorship.
     
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    You have everybody but Fox feeding us hogwash. I guess if Fox disappeared, there would be no one to question it. The big tech companies, for example are throwing hundreds of millions to Biden- even though he's threatened to break up their monopolies. Ehy would they support someone who threatens to hurt them, unless they know that's political fodder and not fact? The MSM hardly mentions anything that's outside the left narrative, and this is just one of many- including the recently revealed Hunter laptop with emails showing Joe in on what appears to be outright corruption, which they kind of just ignored.
    Ask you self how that washes.... and why you buy it.
     
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    You are forgetting or intentionally ignoring the fact that the world is on the march towards a one world government. Donald Trump was installed by divine intervention to stop it.
     
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    Trump did no more than DQ our participation.

    He established that what America says must be disregarded, as whatever it is will soon be reversed.

    He established that other nations must create their own economic groups without us, as we're simply not interested.

    He established American billegerance and vindictiveness in trade as seen by the disruptive and useless nonsense of Trump's tariffs.

    If Trump is here by devine design, it is certain that the reason is to bring us low.
     
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    Then so be it! Trump will be re-elected.
     
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    Your assumption about why corporations send money to Biden is pretty darn pathetic.

    Do you really think corporatins love unilateralism, tariffs, totally failed COVID response, and other seriously damaging slap dash decisions by a populist who refuses to listen to informed council?

    Do you think they like the Trump comments on women and other various minorities along with the resulting upheaval?

    The one thing corporations need is policy they can count on. You don't get that with a president who makes policy by midnight tweet and going off the teleprompter.

    Then, you hark back to the failed attempts to smear the son of Trump's opponent in the aftermath of attempting to get direct foreign election help??
     
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    I'm more interested in America being a world leader.
     

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