Florida company warns employees they may lose jobs if Biden is elected.

while asking them to vote he threatened layoffs as a consequence if they did not vote for Trump

 

...... because a Biden administration could mean much higher taxes for his business. You leave off the most important of details.

 

do we agree voter intimidation by an employer is illegal?

 

while asking them to vote... that is what will get him into trouble, you can't as an employer as your employees to vote and in the same letter threaten layoffs if they do not vote for your candidate

 

voter intimidation is wrong, but it's almost impossible too since you are in the voting booth alone and no one knows who you vote for. However, there is not voter intimidation in the OP. It's informing employees of what might happen post election.

 

Do you think the employees would rather be surprised when they are laid off from their job if Biden wins?

 

Those are your words, not his.

 

that is my description of the letter, you can read it for yourself

 

he could have said that would happen in another letter, not while asking them to vote, the asking them to vote and saying if they did not vote for Trump there would be layoffs is where he went wrong

had he run the letter by hr first, I am sure they would have set him straight

 

No, that's your misinterpretation of the letter.

 

looks like republicans can stop defending the letter, it's legal as of 2010 SC decision, not ethical, but legal, so that is that, thread over

this guy got away with it, so anyone can do it

https://www.cnbc.com/id/49356069

"David Siegel, the owner of Westgate Resorts, sent a surprising email to his employees Monday.

It said that if President Barack Obama wins re-election and raises Siegel's taxes, he will have to lay off workers and downsize his company — or even shut it down."

 

he stated the consequences would be of his own doing? if so, then its open and shut intimidation.

...but no, he didn't

 

looks like some States made it illegal, not his

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-your-boss-tell-you-who-to-vote-for/

"However, there are restrictions. Some states have laws that limit what managers can say. For instance, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and a handful of other states prohibit businesses from posting notices saying that they will be shut down if a particular candidate is victorious at the ballot box. And if you work for the federal government, of course, it's illegal for your boss to try to influence your vote."

 

who would be doing the layoffs, that is his doing, but doesn't matter, it's legal, so a non-issue

 

Oh, sometimes it's not lame. Trump had DIRECT ACTIONS that made it worse. Pushing HCQ. Mocking masks. Undermining orderly reopening. Saying repeatedly that the virus is not to be taken seriously. Saying children are immune. Asking for curtailing of testing. Holding superspreader events. What is lame is to be so BLIND to your cult leader's shortcomings that you don't even see it.

 

are you suggesting layoffs are always the boss's fault?

 

Trump lied and people died, it's on tape, Trump admitted it

but that is anouther topic

 

True. You know, the fact that I'm against Trump now (after a period of being undecided and seriously considering voting for him) doesn't mean I don't hold many conservative values. Over here on PF people tend to equal "Against Trump = Liberal Democrat Communist Extreme Left Unpatriotic" or whatever other label they can think of. One can perfectly be against Trump and still quite conservative and not a leftist or a liberal, at all, as shown every day by a number of seriously conservative Republicans who are strongly against him.

 

yep, if the government doesn't get credit for creating jobs, then they can't get the blame for firings - or can they?

can't have it both ways

 

yep, it's been that way, I supported Trump in the beginning too, but soon realized I could not support the man

the real tragedy with Trump, is that I think he could have been a good President if not for his fragile ego, his fragile ego prevents him from getting anything done

 

Like I've said many times, you guys grant too much important to that dumb and inexperienced bartender and her three buddies. They represent 1.7% of the Democrat caucus in the House; nobody else likes them, and their leader/mentor Bernie Sanders was just rejected by the Dem electorate by 8 million freaking votes. If these 4 women of this "Squad" were so important, other representatives would have joined them and they wouldn't be just four. They are basically arrogant and annoying pariahs who don't know what they are doing and don't get anybody to be on their side.

You know why that strident woman is remotely important? Because you guys keep propping her up. Stop paying attention; she is not going anywhere. The first time she runs for higher office (other than for a small deep blue district in NYC) she will be thoroughly spanked and will lose by a much bigger voting gap than what happened to that moronic loser who is her mentor. Bernie at least had some gravitas and some consistency (although misguided about pretty much everything). AOC on the other hand is an empty shell and will NEVER be accepted by the majority of Dem voters in any primary, let alone by the majority of all American voters.

In my opinion the odds that AOC will ever win a primary election for higher office (say, governor, senator, president) are a round zero. If by the weirdest freakish event she somehow managed to win such primary, then her odds of winning a majoritarian election for that office would be minus 100 or much worse than a snowball in Hell.

AOC running anything? Not going to happen. Never. There is absolutely no way that the majority of Americans will pick a bartender airhead to lead anything. She is only good to be elected by a local small deep blue district and to be strident and ridiculous in the national scene.

 

It is both ways.
Both govt and private managers play a part. You're being incredibly disingenuous (I say because I'm confident you're not that ignorant) to suggest the dynamics of employment would be so black or white. I know you know that govt regulation can effect the success of a business just as much as its own management.

So the question is- why are folks trying so hard to paint this as intimidation? If nothing else, he has no way to know who voted Trump and voted Biden and who voted Other, so theres no way he could target anyone for layoffs even if that was his intent, which theres still no evidence that it is. He would laying off Trump and Biden supporters alike if his concerns become a reality.

 

Of course not voter intimidation because the email was to CUSTOMERS, dammit! The boss doesn't have any power over the customers. This is just junk mail and another piece of electoral propaganda everybody gets from both parties. The only risk here is that some of the customers who don't share the CEO's ideology will take their business elsewhere. That you somehow compare this situation to a boss sending a letter to each EMPLOYEE is beyond preposterous. Can't you actually see the difference??? It's kind of mind-boggling that you don't see it.

You consider that there is a hint of intimidation because the employees who aren't for Biden would want to keep their heads down. Based on what? Did the CEO indicate in any way, shape, or form, that he will take any action against THEM??? No, he addressed the CUSTOMERS!!!

So, do you mean that any liberal working for any company whose CEO is conservative (like most are) will have to keep his/her head down as well?

Look, in my hospital, people are simply not encouraged to engage in any political activism while on the job. We just don't. We acted professionally, being, er, professionals. We leave our ideology at home. Nobody feels intimidated there, regardless of their off-job affiliations. Our CEO seems to be more on the liberal side (although I can't be 100% sure) and he doesn't hire or fire or promote or demote anybody based on political ideology. Among the managerial class, there are people of all ideologies. It just doesn't matter. It's rather inappropriate to engage in political activism on the job. That's not what we are there for. We are there to take care of sick people, practicing state-of-the-art medical care.

Now, if the CEO sent a letter to each one of us (two weeks before the election) encouraging us to vote for a certain candidate and talking about layoffs if that candidate didn't win, THEN I'd say it would be voter intimidation.

I'm kind of appalled that people don't seem to see it, here.

It's peculiar that you keep going on and on about this CEO who sent a political email to his CUSTOMERS supporting Biden. I wonder what you'd be saying if he had sent an email to each EMPLOYEE recommending a vote for Biden or else.

You'd be screaming bloody murder and asking for him to be charged with a federal crime.

 

nah he didnt. The experts said he didn’t

 

sorry trump didn’t curtail testing that’s. what biden did with H1N1, and an estimated 60 to 90 million americans got it...men women and children