Can hate win an election?

Couldn't even choke out a dishonest "sure I love em all" post huh LOL

 

That's something the DNC could rectify at anytime under any President.. All they have to do is act like grownup, do their job and stop ginning up their base..

 

Not a lot of self awareness huh?

 

Now that you mention it, ya I'm sure that is part of their problem too.. Very insightful and honest of you Lesh, refreshing!!

Thanks..

 

Ahhh the PeeWee Herman Defense!

Nicely done.

 

“That’s all I hear about now. Turn on television, ‘Covid, Covid, Covid Covid Covid.’ A plane goes down, 500 people dead, they don’t talk about it. ‘Covid Covid Covid Covid.’ By the way, on November 4, you won’t hear about it anymore.”

Unless one is from Mars, we all know who made that ridiculous remark.

Very few Americans hate Trump. That would be like hating an intelligence challenged, petulant child.

Hate is the excuse used by Trump's followers who are incapable of defending what Trump does and says.

Hate has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a majority of Americans are motivated to get rid of a paranoid, narcissistic, incompetent President. In that spirit we must give credit where credit is due. The one good thing about Trump is that he is responsible for the high voter participation. So far, over 60 million Americans have voted.

 

It may be based on hate for some Democrats. But those Democrats wouldn't vote for Mother Teresa if she ran as a Republican. What you're not taking into account are those who aren't dislike how Trump has handled the presidency, disagreed with some of his policies, perhaps don't like the way he has behaved as president or his in your face style. Let's face, most Americans aren't use to someone being president with his unique style or the way he behaves.

It's isn't hate for most of those who oppose a second term for Trump. Only your die hard democrats. The fact Trump trails Biden, an old, bland, uncharismatic, generic candidate says more in my opinion about Trump than Biden. Perhaps it's just people want a change from his in your face, bullying type presidency. Maybe all they want is a return to normalcy. Who knows? But it won't be hate that defeats Trump, it will be the average American Joe who just got tired of the way Trump has behaved and acted as president. They're not use to that, probably never would get use to it.

 

It's a leap to say that it means that hate, "run(s) America," but certainly you must be aware of the phenomenon of people voting against an incumbent candidate, or a candidate whose world view is much different from the voter's (as too liberal a candidate, for example, say, McGovern); people voting against a candidate they blame-- rightly or wrongly-- for a war; or against a candidate that people consider dishonest (or a, "crook"), & so forth. In fact, had Bernie Sanders won the Dem. Nomination, I'm sure that as many would be voting against him, than for his opponent, after the ridiculous things I've heard from people on both the right & the so-called left, saying he doesn't believe in private enterprise, thinks the government should run all businesses, & similar nonsense.

Further, I've heard it stated a couple of times, by what seem to be credible sources, that research shows that MEN are more likely to vote AGAINST a candidate they don't like than WOMEN (who, w/ greater frequency than men, base their decision on qualities they like about the person they're voting for.

I could also tell you about when I lived in San Diego in 2000 &, despite all the, "experts," predicting esp. low voter turnout that year, I knew we were in for a real horse race. That's because, along w/ getting signatures for ballot initiatives (in public places) I did voter registrations. I was overrun with people approaching me to make sure they were on the voter rolls, with a remarkably high percentage stating their unifying reason, "we can't let that other guy get elected!" Only thing was, half of them meant Al Gore, by that other guy, & half of them meant G.W. Bush.

Bottom line is, voting against the, "lesser of 2 evils," is so common in our politics (especially in recent decades) that if you haven't heard of it, you should probably be more circumspect about admitting it, because it is likely to sound to others as if you don't know much about U.S. politics (esp. over the last half-century).

 

I hope you believe your prescriptions for others should apply to yourself, as well. If the Democrats win both the White House (which looks probable) & also take control of the Senate, we should then not hear so much as a squeak out of you-- if you are willing to live by the rules REPUBLICANS have, if not created, left no illusion as to be the true principle they feel justifies stymieing another party's seeming prerogative (as to nominate judges to fill judicial vacancies) as well as ramming their own will down people's throats, regardless of if it's in lieu of working to ameliorate the challenges facing so many citizens during a pandemic, or if it's done while people are potentially voting them out of office-- if the Dems decide to level the field in the Judiciary, because that principle which Republican Senators (& President) have shown to be their truest guide is: HAVING the POWER TO DO IT!

So it would be sheer hypocrisy, on your part, if Democrats decided to increase the number of Justices on the Supreme Court, or anything along those lines, & you start bawling, whining, and/or complaining about their exercising their power, w/o regard to following any principles they may have formerly espoused. (Boo-whoo?).

 

So my assertion that she had an affair with Brown you called opinion is fact.

 

Wrong. When the dem leaqdership started supporting cancel culture, encouraged "peaceful" rioters, the destruction of police and law and order and supported virtual terrorism as well as attacks on the constitution, they crossed a line that is paramount to sedition if not outright treason. The concept of any ethics or dignity has been left so far back down the road they don't even remember what those are.

Simple rule that anyone should understand. When you are committing a crime, you have no civil rights, and whatever befalls you is your own fault.
The primary rule you think the republicans have broken is not letting the left have their way unimpeded. We actually object to rioters, to the destruction of private property, to the attacks on people's lives and livelihoods because they support what the left does not support.

Chuck Schumer has just vowed to "get even" if the dems gain control- in return for the republicans nominating and confirming the most widely acclaimed and most qualified supreme court justice in decades. Why? Well because Trump nominated her, and Schumer thinks like a 5 year old denied his candy. That is all that is required for them to hate anyone. You would vote for trash like that?? Give them power?

I'd take them to the woodshed if they were small. May have to do that anyway.

You have to be a reasonable, ethical person before you can expect to be treated as one. Only people who think like small spoiled children fail to understand that.

 

Despite your protestations and justification attempts all you have to do is read this forum, watch
the news, listen to dems in DC to see the visceral hate that dominates the left.
Even your post in which you try to hide your hate it seeps out. You label him a bully, you say you don't like the way he behaves and you say you crave normalcy. Not a word on policy just typical leftist watered down hate speech. We get it. You hate Trump. You are style over substance and that's your right but at least be honest about it and admit out loud you hate the man. He just rubs you the wrong way.

 

Read through this thread. Little if anything on policy and 90% personal attacks on Trump as a human being. Then get back to me.

 

That pretty well describes the condition we're dealing with. Hard to reason with childish thinking, and they don't understand why they are unreasonable.

 

You asserted that, Trump is a despicable human being is hateful opinion.

Its only your opinion that that is hateful.

 

OK and LOL

 

You know that member @perotista is probably the most centrist poster this forum has? If you can't see that, all it suggests is your own extremism and inability to see other people's viewpoints, that are different from yours. You just see hate everywhere but yourself. Look in the mirror, man.

 

Thats the image he tries to portray but the truth has seeped out on occasion and the wizard behind the curtain has been exposed. He hates Trump because of what Trump said about McCain and has never been able to get over that. In reality that's the root cause of his irrational Trump hate.

By the way your unintentional Biden imitation made me LOL, "man".

 

the right hates the left, I think they will still lose though - the people do not want Trumpism, it's over come Nov 3rd

hate can not keep the Republican Party together, time for the right to put the country first

 

People can believe what they like. I express my views on this site and folks here can either accept them, deny them, agree with them oppose them, that's fine as that is what this site is all about. The gathering of different view points.

I spent most of my life in a political era where both major parties respected each other, would work with each other, didn't hate each other. That word again. But each acknowledge that their goal was the same, a prosperous, free and secure America. Only the paths to that goal differed. This modern era of politics, it's polarization, it's mega, ultra high partisanship, each party thinking and believing the other party is out to destroy America, this is alien to me. In short, it sucks.

I don't think the posters on the site represent America as a whole. Folks here are very political active with very hard points of views. Sometimes it's impossible to even talk to them as they refuse to acknowledge others may think and view things differently. Most Americans don't put politics first and don't wear their party ID on the sleeve. We're political junkies here, most Americans aren't. In fact I'd say the majority of Americans don't pay much attention to politics until an election nears. Certainly not to the daily grind of politics in Washington D.C.

Talk around here centered on the Braves lost to the Dodgers and Georgia's loss to Alabama. COVID is always a hot topic, basically centering on when it will end and things return to normal. Not who caused it. The election is 7 days away, I haven't seen many political yard signs and no bumper stickers. The funny part of all of this, I've heard folks talk about their favorite TV programs and hating all the political commercials being shown. It's bad when folks are missing and want a return to Liberty Insurance, Reese's peanut Butter cup, Papa John's, car dealers and other normal commercials.

Just some thoughts.

 

I agree with you.

Unfortunately, I think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. My son is 15 years old and is in HS right now. He says that there is literally a war going on at their school between Trump and Biden supporters. And those kids can't even vote yet. However, they are bombarded by the deluge of social media propaganda that they get on their cell phones every day, most of it attacks on the other side. Even giving a "like" to the wrong post can already get them into trouble with friends. When they grow up to vote, their heads are already filled with hate for the other side, from years of brainwashing through social media. Where does this stop?

 

I don't know when it will stop, but it needs to. I never thought of social media being the brainwashing tool. I suppose it is. I do long for the days of yesteryear when one could talks politics with anyone whether they agree with you or not, for or against certain candidates and political parties and not get into a name calling shouting match. Maybe there is a civil war around the corner, caused by politics and our two major parties and all their leaders who preach nothing but negatives and raunchy propaganda about the other. Where folks come to believe their propaganda.

Don't you miss political commercials like this. I know, showing my age.



Simple, short, sweet and no painting your opponent as the evilest scumbag, devil on the face of this earth.

Khrushchev once said that we would destroy ourselves from within. Looking over the political landscape of today, it seems Khrushchev knew what he was talking about.

 

Yes, we're a loving bunch.

It is love to not force people to pay for health insurance, especially if they are of the socioeconomic status where they are working poor, but cannot quite afford Medicaid.

Because we love people, we want to give them more freedom, which means limiting the size of government, not greatly expanding it.

Separate the children from whom? The adults that they are with when they cross the border who may or may not be their parents?

Foreign leaders? Whom are you talking about Gaddafi, whom Clinton and Obama had assassinated and then left a vacuum open in which even worse people took over and who now have slave auctions?

Love must conquer evil.

We want to open up the economy, so the young can afford to take care of the old, so the young can live their dreams, so the young do not get depressed and resort to suicide, and so on and so forth. That is why we love.

 

There are so many inaccurate & non seqitur statements in your post, I can take a only small part at a time.
1) "When you are committing a crime," you still have all your civil rights. You do not lose any until you are convicted of a crime; &, even then, you do not, "have NO civil rights; nor is it legally true that, "WHATEVER BEFALLS YOU is your own fault." While I appreciate that you are applying Trump immigration doctrine to an official prison system, there are actually some responsibilities that the prison, as well as the state or federal government, have towards the inmates.
2) While you claim my logical statement is wrong, you offer nothing (save your idea of clever argumentative technique) to back up your pronouncement. That logical statement that you desperately want to deny-- that your prior assertion, "When you make that the game, you shouldn't be complaining when you find yourself subject to the rules you created--" would mean that if YOU COMPLAIN if victorious Democrats use Republican, "rules," i.e., that politicians are limited by nothing but what they CAN do with their power, it would make you a hypocrite, by violating your own rule about how one should respond when the shoe is on the other foot.

The reason you give to make your proposition one-way, is that Congressional Democrats, en masse, are disqualified from proceeding in the manner of Republicans because of a host of awful crimes that-- what was it?-- they only beat in court due to a technicality? No, wait, it was because the Barr Justice Department unduly favors the Democrats in Congress, right? To actually prove your contention, that there was anything wrong w/ my statement of fact, you would need to present an exception to the legal principle of, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law," in which, "SPIRITGIDE'S PERSONAL JUDGEMENT shall be deemed a legal substitute for court trial," (preferably a Constitutional citing).

3) I did not say that Republicans had, "broken," any, "rule;" & I wouldn't consider your statement about letting, "the left have their way unimpeded," to be any kind of rule, anyway, that it could be broken. To remind you, I merely applied YOUR RULE, to yourself & the Republicans in Congress under the stipulated scenario of Democrats coming into the same power as Repubs have had the last 4 years, & using that power in a similar way.

If, "What's good for goose is good for the gander," is a principle you can proffer only when you are not the gander, and it alarms you to have your righteous commentary shine a spotlight on your own behavior, I guess it means that Spiritgide plans to do the exact kind of bitchin' & moaning he was criticizing others for, if Democrats-- to put it the way HE should, to be consistent, put it--"don't let the, 'right,' have their way, unimpeded."
That, sir, is the definition of hypocrisy: YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR HISSY FIT, & CRITICIZE OTHERS WHO DO IT, TOO.

WAAAAAAA! Waaaaa! When was the last time a Justice was confirmed to the Supreme Court w/ fewer Senate Votes? Would that be never?

And, of course, that would not be criminal at all; perfectly justifiable
under the principle of Mea lwa ysri, g.h.t.
(But you'd still be more comfortable doing it, I'm sure, "if they were small.")

While I realize you can list offenses against members of the other party that, if there was sufficient basis for arrests & guilty verdicts, would put most in prison for the remainder of their lives; you know that some people on the other side-- no doubt those you find most sickening & of which you hold the lowest opinion-- level equally serious charges against, at least certain elected members of, "your team." So their griping is, "sour grapes," or, "being cry-babies," but when the tables get turned, you come up w/ reasons why Democrats don't get to do those things, have forfeited those liberties, according to your opinion, which is the only one (in your mind) that counts. Well I know you find it unpleasant to have your words applied to your own behavior, but that's how I'll end.

 

So true. Back then, presidential elections probably came with some emotional reactions, but down ballot, nobody cared. Today, even races for state officials come with the typical "my opponent is the devil" B$, and people get highly emotional over the House vote from their district. 30 years ago, most probably didn't even know the name of the House member from their district. Everything is just getting so much more polarized. I blame the large sums of money that are openly flowing into those elections.