What is your take away from the 2020 election?

That would entail observation of ballot counting by both parties in each state. If not, the ballots must be thrown out.

 

They ONLY reason that they do NOT vote for president is BECAUSE of the RACIST Electoral College crap that MUST be abolished as soon as possible.

 

Quite right, they did. Nine house seats. And when the runoffs in Georgia are over, they're likely to maintain a majority in the Senate as well.

Maybe that's good, we tend to resent either party when they have it all, but 1) I sure would like it if McConnell could no longer block legislation or refuse to even vet judicial or cabinet nomineees, and 2) this election's results illustrate just how divided we have become.

 

A Republican Senate would be the bulwark against the Green New Deal and other idiocy. Biden will get a fair hearing for his nominees.

 

I hope you're right. Maybe I just seriously abhor that toad, McConnell. His word cannot be trusted, he's an unapologetic hypocrite. I don't like having someone that depraved and so lacking in personal honor holding that gavel and having that much power over our lives.

 

We'll have to disagree about McConnell. I regard him as the greatest political figure of his generation who was not a President. The analogy is to Cardinal Richelieu, a thorough master of his institutional setting. Two suspicions I cannot prove: he's glad Biden won, and he and Pelosi agreed early that they would not provide Trump with a late victory on COVID relief.

 

He and Biden are friends. Obama was not liked in the Senate. Biden is.

 

You may be right about that; I suspect similar.

I think McConnell is a patriot, but he's been pretty sleazy for the past 12 years. Perhaps the Biden presidency will make a difference. I do wish he'd have a little chat with the President, though. His approval of this temper tantrum is bugging me.

 

Right now it's all about Georgia. Republicans can win both runoffs if they can keep Republicans who voted against Trump, and simultaneously not alienate Trump's loyalists.

 

It's not helping that Trump has basically called the entire state of Georgia a fraud.

He wailed on McCain, and he paid the price in Arizona.

He's very good at alienating people. Georgia may make him pay for it. I can't guess, because generally speaking, people didn't reject republicans, they rejected Trump. That said, most prominent politicians are sitting silently while President Trump has a temper tantrum. We'll see how it shakes out. My preference is that Republicans maintain The Senate.

 

There is nothing racist about the Electoral College.

 

What is your take away from the 2020 election?
My wife & I watched the Nov 3 election from late afternoon thru the early morning hours before exhaustion sent us both to dreamland. In the course of the evening, we saw several vote count professionals interviewed about their process & how they were avoiding discrepancies &/or fraud. Those interviews were enlightening & inspiring, from the perspective that those people were all firmly dedicated to being open, honest, & accurate in those counts. We were impressed by them all--& they were from both parties as individuals, but strictly non-partisan in their jobs. Those interviews left me feeling the 2020 election was in good hands, & would be highly dependable in terms of honesty, integrity & accuracy. I still feel that way, even after all the corrupt shenanigans by Trump & his minions following Nov 3. I feel the 2020 election was a very dependable reflection of the views & choices of the American electorate, & I'm totally comfortable with it.

I am less comfortable with the 2000 & 2016 elections. In 2016, the SCOTUS determined the winner BEFORE a recount could determine the voter outcome, & made that ruling based on the party affiliation of the Justices themselves. In other words, it was a party line vote, giving GW Bush the Presidency because the Republican Justices outnumbered the Democratic ones. That was a bad precedent to set.

The 2016 election demonstrated the weakness & unfairness of our Electoral College system, which is designed to counter the will of the majority of voters. Although Hillary won about 3 million more votes than Trump, the EC gave the victory to Trump, & that sent the entire country into a 4 year political nightmare. Under the Electoral College, it is the votes of the states that elect our President rather than the voters themselves. But in America, the President & VP are the only public officials who supposedly represent the nation as a whole rather than a single state or district. Therefore, it seems appropriate that the votes of all the citizens themselves should count for the determination of that office. In other words, the people should determine the choice--NOT the states. I came away from 2016 feeling the Electoral College had outlived its usefullness. It truly demonstrates that in Presidential elections, everyone's vote really doesn't count. Can we be surprised to learn that many Americans don't vote because they feel their votes don't really count anyway. I think the EC is why they feel that way. Getting rid of, or circumventing the EC would go a long way in rectifying that wrong.

 

Kneejerk Denialism does NOT alter factually documented REALITY one iota.

The ENTIRE premise of the EC is based upon the RACISM inherent in SLAVERY.

 

The premise is that all states should have a voice. If one state has the majority of the people, the other 5 states have no reason to vote, whatsoever. That makes us something that doesn't resemble "United States." It more resembles, "One state to rule them all."

I'm off to Mordor with said state, if that comes to pass.

 

The States already have a VOICE in the Senate!

The EC has become the embodiment of APARTHEID in America where a RACIST white minority IMPOSE their nefarious AGENDA on the DIVERSE majority of We the People.

That is the REALITY that we are facing NOW and it CANNOT be allowed to continue given the enormouse HARM that it is doing to We the People.

 

How do you figure? The state with the most votes has the highest population. Approx 10% of the people; approx 10% of the vote.

Do you want them to have 40% ? 50%? 80%?

Explain your logic.

 

Apartheid is when a racist white MINORITY impose their will OVER that of the diverse MAJORITY.

The EC is SKEWED by the way it gives UNWARRANTED power to MINORITIES who are also white racists.

CA with 12.0% of the US population has only 10% of the EC votes.

WY with 0.18% of the US population has 0.56% of the EC votes.

That gives the VOTERS in WY three times as much POWER to IMPOSE their choice on our nation compared to the voters in CA do.

That MEETS the definition of Apartheid where a racist white MINORITY impose their will OVER that of the diverse MAJORITY.

These FACTS are documented on this source with a table that DEMONSTRATES the ACCURACY of what I just posted.

https://theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-the-electoral-college-74280

This sources demonstrates the same FACTS graphically.

https://www.fairvote.org/population_vs_electoral_votes

 

We take a census, every 10 years, to determine which states need more or less electors/reps, based on population shrink/growth. We're at the end of that cycle, and so CA, has grown since 2010, and will likely get new votes for 2020.

10 years is enough for me. I don't need a census every three years.

Leave it be. Things are always out of whack this late in the game.

 

That is the kind of response that I would expect from those who support Apartheid because they are on the side of the oppressors as opposed to the oppressed..

 

I was holding out a bit of hope for the US until trump got over 70 million votes. There can be no reconciliation. There can be no UNITED States. End the country peacefully and through the Constitution or wait for a long civil war.

Legalize secession and end this nightmare. 330 million people cannot live under one set of laws. Red States might as well be another planet and we don't share common values. I don't ever want some red state yahoo having anything to say about MY government again!

 

False then, three slave states voted AGAINST it and particularly false today.

LAWCOMMENTARY
The Electoral College Didn’t Protect Slavery

The Founding Fathers did not create the Electoral College for the purpose of bolstering the power of slave states, nor did it have the effect of doing so.

The presidential election in 2016 reminded Americans of the role played by the Electoral College in electing our president.

Proponents of abolishing or nullifying the Electoral College and replacing it with a direct-election scheme are trying to delegitimize the traditional process by claiming it is a remnant of America’s racist past, created as part of the Founding Fathers’ effort to protect slavery.

The claim is completely false. The Founders did not create the Electoral College for the purpose of bolstering the power of slave states, nor did it have the effect of doing so.

The records of the Constitutional Convention plainly show that the Founders designed the Electoral College to keep the president independent of Congress, which would have selected the president under both the “Virginia Plan” and the rival “New Jersey Plan.”

Direct election of the president wasn’t seriously considered for several reasons, and it lost the few times delegates voted on the idea.

Using electors to select the president was proposed several times during the convention by anti-slavery delegates such as Alexander Hamilton, Gouverneur Morris, and William Paterson. Opposition came largely from Southern delegates.

When the convention passed an early version of the Electoral College in mid-July of 1787, only three states voted against it—Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina......
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/10/23/the-electoral-college-didnt-protect-slavery/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&utm_content=httpswwwdailysignalcom20201023theelectoralcollegedidntprotectslaveryutmsourcerssutmmediumrssutmcampaigntheelectoralcollegedidntprotectslavery&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTTJNelpqSmpOR1JqWlRSayIsInQiOiJhYkwwK0NUcnRCNklITVFvTGI0eDJJZWZBMHFBc0t5aEt0TG0xYTUrSTRyb1B0SU51UThDOEpoQXg5eGVvVFRPWU9lRTFobFlxYTdOMjBJaVZ4V1p1aVNoOTN3aDdvenVLNUMwUU8yWG1wbEdReUpROE9RckhCXC9INEJjRVZFNWUifQ==

Even the left wing NYT

The Electoral College Was Not a Pro-Slavery Ploy
There is a lot wrong with how we choose the president. But the framers did not put it into the Constitution to protect the South.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/opinion/the-electoral-college-slavery-myth.html

 

Not since the 17th Amendment.

 

Delaware, Wyoming, etc. are overrepresented in the Senate and Electoral College.

 

No Democratic President has been a socialist.

Americans aren't collectivists, but they do play identity politics. Both parties.

People already see themselves as individuals.