Iran vows to avenge Scientist's assasination

Not necessarily. Israel didn't have America's 'back' for many missions and wars.
Taking out Iraq's WMD took America by surprise, so too the attack on Syria's
nuclear reactor.
And there's plenty who fear a nuclear Iran - including Turkey, Egypt and Saudi
Arabia. And so should every person who believes in Nuclear Non-Proliferation
because when Iran goes nuclear so too does half the Middle East, including
Egypt, Turkey and Arabia.

 

Iran does not want to be building nukes and have her people dying because of US sanctions and sanctions the US blackmails the rest of the world to do. As I said earlier there are two opinions in Iran about nukes. The religious people believe they are immoral and so Iran should not use them. The Revolutionary Guards and others want them for security. If European countries allow Iran to start breathing then it would appear she will choose to not go for nukes for the time being. I am guessing that is also believing there will be a more easy going US.

Iran can make nukes whenever she wants. She has the knowledge and capability. She just needs to enrich the plutonium. It would not take long for her to have them pointing at all her enemies..B U T Iran is not stupid. The only thing good about having nukes for Iran is to stop her enemies destroying her. However they are also destroying her by having a total blocade around her at the moment. It is far more in Iran's interest to get back doing business with the world than to have nukes and be isolated with her people dying. Iran has dealt with the situation since the US went back on its word very well. She still has not gone back on the treaty....but she cannot carry on like this. She knows that Europe does not want her having nukes and she knows that Europe knows how soon she can build them and she knows that the Trump and his blackmail is going. It is a sensible move. It may also signal a change in Iran wanting to do business with Europe not the US.

 

When a random bomb explodes in Israel, than without any evidence, Israel will just blame Hamas... and start blowing up mostly civilians in Gaza. Let's not hold Iran to higher standards to what the west accepts what Israel has been doing for decades. As for your "not an innocent civilian" ... about all adult Israeli's are soldiers in the IDF or were soldiers in the IDF. Let that one sink in, when it's know this scientist was busy on covid testing kits when he got executed.

 

If you read the article, you will see that the US retaliated by attacking Iranian troops in Syria. The Iranian leadership claimed they would respond in the future. They have not done it. Why not? Because they know that the US can respond more efficiently then they can.

 

Possibly they took it out on KSA. They know she is the weakest link. Did they not also kill one of your Generals?

 

The sanctions are already there,... even without building nukes. So you make no sense at the moment.

The US choose to block Iran even when it cooperates, and it makes the EU to follow suit or else their companies may not trade with the US. The US killed the treaty. So it's obvious Iran must go for enriching uranium on a large scale in order to get the US back into the deal. The deal the US currently wants,.. as in no non-nuclear capabilities and to just roll over completely is out of the question. They demand their right to attack against foreign aggression. And lets be frank... the US supported a WMD war against Iran not so long ago... so you can't trust them for one bit. Iran needs to be able to protect themselves / US demands are just insane, but that Donald for ya.

 

You claimed that Iran did nothing, just a few got hurt and nobody got killed. And you're just so wrong. I sourced it. Get over it. You're just pushing the goalpost to a whole new area for me to find if they retaliated on the retaliation... lol.

My point stands... you were wrong.
Iran did respond on the previous execution with a massive bombardment. It's only thanks to them for warning those camps that not more people got hurt. Let that sink in, and think what could have happened if they did not warn the US. They can omit the warning any next time... and shoot the fish in a barrel.

 

Continue reading.

Trump did. Trump will be gone in less than two months.

No it is not and Iran is not and has not been enriching uranium on a large scale since it signed the deal in 2015. All Iran has done is raise that slightly, in line with the agreement when the other party was not keeping the signed treaty.

If you had read my earlier post today you would not need to say that to me but it makes no difference. My previous posts stands and is irrelevent to what Trump got up to. It is now. Iran is not presently making nukes and has so far been keeping to the Treaty. It is however considering giving European countries who signed the deal an ultimatum that it must get things sorted by 3 months or it will start enriching Uranium in amounts needed for nukes and close its door to inspectors. As I also said this could suggest Iran would prefer to speak and deal with Europe rather than the US.

 

Biden has yet to say he's going back in that deal. While eventually Biden will be gone as well. The resentment against the Iran deal is not just Trump's idea as well. It's spread far wider spread among mostly the GOP. So Iran can only expect that the US will not make a honest deal that they are going to stick to. The word of America is like toiletpaper. Only good for wiping butt.

Iran has over 12 times the agreed limit at least.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54912402

The US killed the deal. And like I said... Iran got nothing but to enrich massively, to either twist the US back to the table or start selling their nuclear material to the highest bidder. Might end up exploding in a dirty bomb in Israel one day when that goes on.

 

Re:

The America is already filled with traitorous "Israel Firsters", we need more loyal American politicians to stand up to AIPAC and other parasitic Israeli lobbies who dominate US Foreign policy.

After all, Netanyahu already described the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance:

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

 

It is not Jewish pressure groups in the US who have the most influence it is Christian Zionist who wish to see the third temple built which will allegedly bring back Christ. It is not good to spread anti jewish type conspiracies, t does not help the Palestinian cause and unfairly targets many innocent jews.

 

He has certainly suggested he would be open to talking about it. The main theory put as to why Trump and Israel did this now was that it was to make it impossible for Biden to return to the deal. This guy is apparently someone much respected in Iran - basically seen as the one who will upset people the most now they have killed Soleimani. The hope apparently being that the Iranians would get so upset they would do something which would upset the US so much that they would not want Biden doing the deal with Iran - though come to think of it it is also possible that they could still be intending to create a flase flag to blame Iran with.

Biden has made it clear he intends on restoring America's reputation.

Of course. We cannot deal with the unknown which the future currently is. We can only deal with now. The future though would appear to look a lot brighter for Iran. Europe has pretty much stayed with her and she has done well not going against the agreement though she has gradually moved back from it, but still within the treaty, as Europe did not find a way to keep her end of the bargain. She always gave Europe a Time frame - sort this out by whenever or we will make this move. We are now seemingly at the final move. If Europe does not move this time, Iran is out of the deal and will start doing the necessary work to have nukes. The timing for this is also good as Trump has little power now though I am sure he is going to create as much trouble as possible till he leaves. Europe however does not need to deal with it till he has left. It sort of gives me the feeling that Europe will have the possibility and need to get things sorted in a way which works for everyone before the new President comes in, meaning he would have less power in how that happened. Iran has been pushed beyond limit. This is now coming to the end game.

Yep! I know that.

I think Iran is more than aware of that. That again would suggest they might be better dealing with Europe in the first instance.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54912402

OK. I will have a look. What I know is that certainly up to the last time I heard the IAEA had always said Iran was in compliance. However there is the little extra where Iran was going over what was allowed. That was what she gave European countries the choice over before. Keep your side of the deal or, and she was very clear on this, she would start going over limits. However Iran was also very clear that doing this was in the deal if others did not keep their side of it. I think therfore that doing that was still in keeping with the deal. I will try and see the amounts now. Here is what I got from a very recent article by Juan Cole

In Bid to Kill a Biden return to Iran nuclear Deal, Israel Assassinates Leading Nuclear Scientist (juancole.com)

The BBC is talking about something else

so this is simply talking about the amount she has. Going back to that article

So without spending possibly a long time looking, it looks like Iran had indeed stockpiled more than the agreement, something which she said she had the right to do due to others not fulfilling their requirements of the deal but she was not as yet enriching it to the level needed for bombs and that is what she is saying she will do now.

Not quite. Europe stood by Iran to the extent they could. Iran has always claimed she is working within the confines of the agreement and I don't think Europe has denied this. If Iran had decided to go for Bombs when Trump reneged on the International Treaty, Iran would have had her nukes some time ago. The deal is still there. It can still be revived and if it is not in about three months, if what they are considering goes forward, Iran will start genuinely and quickly building her nukes. It is up to the people who reneged on the treaty to take action if they do not want that. Europe appears to believe it is safer with Iran without nukes so I would be surprised if they did not, knowing that Biden will go with anything reasonable, move to get the deal going again. Europe was also benefiting from its trade with Iran. It is in its interest to do this.

However as I said Iran appears to be choosing a different route. It is in the first stage of a bill which will tell all of the European Countries that signed the Treaty they have "three months to ease sanctions on Iran’s key oil and gas sector, and to restore its access to the international banking system." or Iran will stop allowing nuclear inspectors in and will boost its Uranium Enrichment"

Iran MPs advance bill to stop UN nuclear inspections, step up enrichment | The Times of Israel

Boost would be to the level needed for nukes. The Treaty can still be restored and if it is not Iran, assuming she goes by this, will have nukes very soon.

 

I think you misunderstand my sentiments.
I said nothing about "anti Jewish type conspiracies" or "Jewish pressure groups". I was referring exclusively to Israeli lobbies and their quiet hold on US policy making.

I think you're right about Christian Zionist influence but as Jonathan Pollard is free to return to Israel through AIPAC's quiet machinations, I think that you're unaware of the decades of insidious influence of the roughly 100 Israeli lobbies on US Policy making.

After all, can you name one other foreign lobby that has enough influence to drive America to war:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

Please note the term "Quietly lobbying..."

I spent about 10 - 11 months walking and hitchhiking throughout the Mid East until I got caught up in the '73 War and have studied the region's dynamics closely ever since Israel's attack on our USS Liberty.

The attack on the USS Liberty, the cover-up & Israel's subsequent reward for murdering 34 American G.I.s came about as a result of Israeli lobbies and their overwhelming influence on the US Government.

While Christian Zionist influence has only relatively recently been a factor in America's Israel First Foreign policy, I am intimately aware that individual, loyal American Jews are fed up with Israel's ethnic cleansing and are some of the most outspoken critics of the same:

"The Growing Gap Between Israel And American Jews"
http://www.momentmag.com/growing-gap-israel-american-jews/

EXCERPT "Because most American Jews today are no longer in love with Israel in the way that they were during the period following 1967, there is a tendency to see the relationship as newly troubled and in terminal decline. "CONTINUED


"Are American Jews Giving Up on Israel?"
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/28/are-american-jews-giving-up-on-israel/

EXCERPT Some diaspora Jews, furious with a series of legislative blows from Israel’s ultra-Orthodox religious establishment, are now threatening to stitch up their deep pockets once and for all.

“The rift is real,” says Seth Farber, a modern Orthodox rabbi who leads ITIM, an organization that offers assistance to Israelis in navigating the country’s religious bureaucracy. “[Jews who are not ultra-Orthodox] are not just shifting uncomfortably. They are saying: This is not the Israel that we know.”CONTINUED

 

Iran currently can not deal with Europe because of the US. Say iran wants to sell their oil. Than they would need an European oil company to sell it to and an European bank that gives money to an Iranian (or whatever) bank. The US will find out what European oil company and bank did that and ban them from doing business with American companies. And so no European company is willing to sacrifice their investments in the US, since they can make far more money there compared to Iran.

That's how the US killed the entire deal and there basically is no deal with anybody. While Biden can't promise the next deal will be axed the next time the GOP win the elections. So it's obvious Iran will enrich fast amounts to force a better deal since the US is a joke of a nation promise wise.

To have a bomb, you need a certain amount of high enriched material.
To have that certain amount of high enriched material, you need a big volume of low enriched material.
Iran has double the amount of low enriched material for the sake of 2 nuclear bombs... for sure.
It's just all about tossing the low enriched nuclear material into a centrifuge to get that high enriched material.
It's rocked science... that has been mastered by dumb butt North Korea. Iran can do this.

Again... Iran can't make deals with companies, since those international operating companies will be banned by the US. Biden can overturn this. The next GOP president can undo everything just as easy, killing multi billion investments. This is not just a theme from Donald. Loads of GOPs were vocally against what Obama did.

The pressure is on. And Iran picks the EU to make the US twist or else. I do expect if the EU and US fail to commit to a trading with Iran, that Iran will just build their bomb and get it over with. Pakistan and India got their nukes, and trade with the US no problem.

The only problem there is, is that the US can't get to terms over the fact that their puppet fascist got kicked out back in the day and Iran choose their own path instead of being a slaver nation.

 

Of course Biden is a Friend to Israel - the majority of Jews are Blue
In addition - much of the big money interest that pulls Biden's strings are Jewish.

 

Why do you keep saying the obvious. Trump and his Government is out. If it comes to the bit that the entire world has to drop your dollar because you believe it will be the same with Biden, then to heck we might. You put too much into your own power. You are not the only people in the world.

That was the situation. It looks like that situation is changing and needs to change fast.

Of course. Which is why I think Iran may be wanting to deal with the Europe instead. The world is absolutely desperate to stop the US having the dollar as the reserve country so that she cannot blackmail everyone any more. Possibly that will be done in 4 years.

I really have no interest in how to build nuclear bombs. I believe the information I have which is that Iran currently does not have nukes but she has since this murder put in a bill which will give Europe the choice - get things in order or it is over - we build our bombs. That is what Europe needs to deal with. I suspect the US time as Dictator of the world is coming to an end and I think part of the reason for that is that America itself decided that was what she wanted.

You keep going on about what the next president will do to destroy the US if Biden acts decently. You believe that people remain stagment. They do not. Nor is Iran so stupid to believe she can trust anyone. Indeed the very reason that Treaty started by Republican Bush had all the clauses about what they could do if one did not live up to the Treaty was because there was so little trust that time. If Iran says what it looks like she is going to, pay up or we nuke up, then clearly Europe needs to decide what to do and indeed the US needs to decide what to do. You believe the world is completely stuck. That everyone is in quicksand and will stay that way for ever. It is not. It is in a constant state of flux....and one of the things which the world is working on is getting the US's priveleged position with the dollar removed due to her using it to force people to do her will.

Yes, that is what Iran will do. However these sanctions on her which are now seen as a blockade a vile act of war designed to kill civilians must change. I seem to remember the UN talking of the US being engaged in crimes against humanity continuing their seige and by that stopping medical supplies from getting in against Venezuela and Iran during the Pandemic.

I would say it is more than that. I would put it down to your Christian Zionists people like Pompeo and that one who Trump had to get rid of because he was determined to set Iran alight. His name escapes me at the moment but that I think is the big thing destroying the US at the moment. Extremist Christian Zionists wanting to destroy the world through their actions in the ME. It is weird that the US has as big a problem with the fundamental religious as the place it is preparaing for Armageddon. I can remember shortly after 9/11 hearing Bush saying, 'They think they are religious but they have no idea how religious we are'. I thought I wonder what he is talking about. Now I know.

Iran is almost certainly going to tell the European Countries that either they make things ok as was expected with the Treaty which Iran has been keeping or she will be building nukes. Then that is it. Game over.

 

Some Brits don't understand Zionist irony. Who knew.

I refuse to pass judgement on anything unless I have all the facts. Do you have all the facts?

 

Former Director of the CIA responds to an unnamed apparently Israeli official who says the world should have gratitude for this murder.

cont'd

Israeli Official: "World should thank Israel" for murdering Iranian Scientist; CIA's Brennan: "Act of state-sponsored terrorism" (juancole.com)

 

Read my previous post... the dollar has nothing to do with it. You don't seem to get it how the US blocked the world from trading with Iran even when I explained how they did it.

And about that your, you and you... this aint about me either.

While it can just as fast flip over again. The president's word in the long run, is worth crap.

This is not about the dollar. This is about America making non American companies ban to trade with American companies if they also trade with Iranian companies.

You mean you claimed Iran was still honoring the nuke deal. And I proved you're rather wrong.
And than you mean the amount of low enriched material is not relevant, and I said it is relevant.
To now say you got no interest how to build a nuke in a tread about nuclear bombs.
Sure... lol

Indeed. I keep saying that, because it's not about Biden. This is about the US as a country that flips from dems to gop, making it absolutely likely that the US will again axe all trade with Iran for the entire world. With a situation like this... Iran won't be able to buy new Airbus planes, because the US might make Airbus chose between selling planes to US companies OR selling spare parts to Iran. They will drop Iran like a brick, and so Iran will be stuck with a multi million euro machine that will be rotting away.

No American president will reimburse Iran over such losses going in the trillions. That's the pinnacle of the problem of not if but when the presidential race gets flipped.

And those people could be back at the helm in 4, 8 or 12 years. It's very relevant that this situation is very likely to happen.

It's not up for European countries, when the US makes European companies to either trade with Iran and not America or trade with America and not Iran. European countries simply will never make their companies pick a country over an other. I hope you understand this mechanic.

 

Here is my first post in this thread, you say all my posts are anti Israel, this shows that you make things up unless you can explain how that is anti Israel, perhaps you are working for Israel and have knowledge that I do not, but I have not made any suggestion that Israel is involved.



Do you understand the word detest? If you do, why would you ask what I think of terrorists groups? I will provide the definition if you are struggling with it or you can google it.

 

You don't need to explain it. I know what was done. That was yesterday. This is today.

Your attitude was getting to me.

We can only deal with Now and try to put in what is best for everyone now. Obviously where potential problems are they can be taken into consideration. If you want to die well, live well today. - that is not personal to you.

No the ability Trump had to force even people who had been America's allies for a very long time to go against their will was caused by the US having the dollar as the reserve currency. This puts the US in a very priveleged position. Unfortunately the people of the US are going to suffer a lot when that is removed.

Now here is what he was up to

and that is where your dollar comes into things

US threatens European companies with sanctions after Iran deal pullout | Iran nuclear deal | The Guardian

You did nothing of the sort. You are playing a record to yourself and that record is wrong. I cannot be bothered talking to people who just likes the sound of repeating their own voice and does not listen to a word anyone says. ridiculous. My cat gives more attention to what I say so bye

 

Nope. You got to have a wider perspective.
If Shell agrees to build oil refinery worth billions, to than get told that they will loose their assets in the US if they go on with it after the next election... than they will be flushing billions down the drain. Same with Iran who maybe wants to buy a couple of Airbusses. Companies must get their return from the investments that they want to make. And yeah... you can calculate a risk in there... but you're just so profoundly short sighted, that it is just juvenile to disregard a risk of about a 100% that you don't get crap out of a multi billion investment. But that is you with you dying well.

This has nothing to do with why companies from the EU stopped doing business with Iran / How the US broke the entire deal for everybody.

Nope. European companies doing business with Iranian companies were simply banned to do business with American companies in ANY currency, not just the American currency. The dollar plays no part. You still show you don't get it. lol

 

What can I do with those 5 minutes ? Bend over.

BTW , half those Nazi scientists ended up working for the USA ( and Russia ). Kinda puts a stain on that flag that you wave. Ignorance is bliss. Keep wallowing.

 

It was just as “criminal” as the drone strikes that Obama was ordering to murder people that went against his Administration‘a agenda. Bottom line is that Iran has no business with getting into the nuclear arms race. They lost that privilege with the U.S. when they took Americans hostage. Iran lost that privilege when they murdered Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972. Iran is an unstable nation that simply cannot possess nuclear weapons, at any cost.

 

Did you just sexually harass me?

Once Nazi Germany was dissolved and those scientists were given pardons by our respective governments, they were no longer Nazis. I will proudly wave my flag while you struggle to comprehend that simple concept.